Completely Misunderstood at my Initial Evaluation
(this is my first post btw)
I've recently become friends because we both instantly connected due to many factors but the main one being that we both sustpected that we have aspergers/autism. So we eventually got appointments at a University Psychiatric clinic.He had the first appointment on july 1st and I had the 2nd one a week later on the july 8th.
I went with him last week to be moral support and by doing this I observed the structure of his visit; it was two sessions ... 1:30 with a social worker where he was asked standard questions that they ask everyone on their first visit ... then he he met with a psychiatrist and had an open-ended conversation ... in that conversation he asked the Dr. if he had aspergers/autism and the doctor said yes ...
So my appointment/evaluation was yesterday ... i'm not seen by a social worker; instead i get a new intern doctor on her first day being her first patient ... the psychiatrist that my friend saw last week sat in and observed for about 45-1hr
when i was asked questions, i would go into detail giving backstory explaining myself
i made it clear in the beginning that i was there because i thought i had autism; i made it clear that at least i thought i did that my overall life was going well but financial burdens really put a hinderance on me ... and my social retardedness hurts me in the aspect/context of being an artist/musician
later through the questionnaire ... survey whatever the intern/new doctor mentioned time .. that it was running short ... when the questions were over i felt like i wasn't finished ... i was expecting to see a psychiatrist where i could talk open ended ... about aspergers ... and nope, i was done ... i was so flustered i wanted to cry ... so i went back to ask if i could ask her a question "do you think it's possible that i might have aspergers?" ... i left a message she called me about 2/3 hours later and i asked her and she wouldn't not say yes to my question, instead she mentioned 'other symptoms' ... my disruptive sleep patterns, mood swings, and anxiety ... this floored me ... when i was asked about my sleeping habits i explained that i didn't have a typical sleep pattern ... i sleep when i'm tired and it takes me longer to get tired than it does most people, so i can stay up for 2 days ... i made it clear that it wasn't a problem and explained i used to get anxiety about it because it wasn't normal but i had come to accept it quite a few years ago and ever since then i function fine ...
i never once told her i had mood swings ... so i don't know where the hell she got that
and i never once told her i had anxiety ... the only thing i can think of that she maybe came to this conclusion is that i told her that i'm socially akward ... she also mentioned depression because i don't leave the house that much ... ugh, it was so frustrating because i the reason why i don't get out much is because of money, it costs money to go out and be social ... so yeah, i feel like once again in my life ... i'm COMPLETELY misunderstood/misinterpreted ...
I have taken the numerous test and I score very high. In fact, my friend thinks that my symptoms are way more pronounced than his.
I'm really really dissapointed with how my initial evaluation went; when i asked the doctor on the phone a few hours after my visit if she thought it was a possibility she said that it's not something that can be determined after one visit ... and instead she mentions other symptoms that i have according to her ... but i don't have them,forgive me, i was really looking for help and it's like ... 'once again, people don't listen to me and what they do hear they completely misinterpret or take out of context.'
I'm sorry that you didn't feel heard. I can't advise you as to wheat her or not you may be on the spectrum. However it is my understanding that your experience is not uncommon for first assessments. Universities in particular are often focused on what you need to get through school and so can focus more on individual symptoms and co- morbids than on what is the underlying issue. My university assessment indicated that I had a learning disability, sleep issues, some depression/anxiety symptoms that didn't amount to clinical depression and sensory issues but the psychologists who worked with me were reluctant to diagnose the sensory issues and none of them were experienced wit ASDs. (and I saw a few different people over the course of a number of days, it hardly seems adequate to only have spoken to one person for a short period of time, particularly if your friend'd experience was different). The next psychologist I saw was experienced with adults who had moderate to severe classic autism and little experience with women and after a brief interview and no assessment of any kind she said that I couldn't possibly be on the spectrum because people with AS can't have jobs, finish school or maintain friendships. She compleatly misinterpreted my mom's explaination of my childhood symptoms (I was not compleatly adverse to interaction, but I didn't seek it out. We sought a second opinion with someone more experienced with "high functioning" women and the preliminary results confirm that I am on the spectrum. Based on the comments of others I've met this is not an unusual experience. In short if you feel you weren't listened to, and you have the means to continue looking into a diagnosis, don't get too discouraged.
Sounds a bit like my assessment. But they only let me talk for 10 minutes and I didn't have 2 people see me, just one guy who told me to shut up and that ADHD was much more interesting. You can ask for a second opinion.
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AQ: 34
AS: 136/200
NT: 55/200
Alexthymia: 126/185
Suspected 'Pure O' OCD. (OCI: 64 or 11.6)
And wonderfully facially blind. XD
Just wondering, was this the opinion of the inexperienced intern who has no experience whatsoever, or the psychiatrist who sat in on the interview? If it was the intern, then I'd be asking for the psychiatrists opinion not hers!
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Autistic dad to an autistic boy and loving it - its always fun in our house
I have Autism. My communication difficulties mean that I sometimes get words wrong, that what I mean is not what comes out.
I just got a call from the doctor I saw on Monday. She seemed more open to the possibility that I'm on the spectrum. I don't think she's an intern, I think she's just a new doctor there ...
She recommended that I look into Temple Grandin; I quickly responded that I knew of her and that I had watched her TED talk.
She also recommended that I write things down, that that might help when I see her again next week.
I guess I'm just defensive ... I've had bad experiences with doctors in the past.
Here's my AQ test results: 45
RAADS-R: 197
Friendship quotient: 39
I wonder if I should print these out when I go next week?
I wouldn't. Doctors really dislike having their authority countermanded, especially w/ internet info. And particularly when they are wrong.
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ASQ: 45. RAADS-R: 229.
BAP: 132 aloof, 132 rigid, 104 pragmatic.
Aspie score: 173 / 200; NT score: 33 / 200.
EQ: 6.
I wouldn't. Doctors really dislike having their authority countermanded, especially w/ internet info. And particularly when they are wrong.
ahh, well thank you.
She told me today that i could write down what I want to say ... so I'm gonna do just this. She also recommended looking up Temple Grandin. So far, all I have written is a quote of Temple Grandin's from an interview with the Economist magazine.
"Too many smart and geeky people kids who aren't getting jobs because they haven't developed their strengths. We have to take what a child is good at and build on it."
So, I think I'm gonna start with things from my childhood ... a twisting of my fingers with the satin edges of my pink blanket, it went everywhere with me ... even college ... i went through 4 of the same blankets, they were 'Carter's' brand.
I played by myself and I remember feeling odd when playing with other kids and doing 'pretend'.
I was bullied hardcore by other kids.
My parents put me in many different schools.
Kindergarden: Harford Christian School, I remember getting in trouble because I wouldn't sleep during 'nap time'.
Pre-First: St. James Academy ... had to go through this grade because my parents wanted me to go to another school for 1st grade and my kindergarden class hadn't prepared me enough.
1st and 2nd grades: Harford Day School ... I latter found out that my parents were told that I should be checked because I didn't mix with others
3rd-5th grade: Public School ... was bullied to a harsh degree, had no friends. 4th grade I was assigned a teacher who had no patience with me because I wouldn't pay attention, would draw on my desk, and I remember having a freak out because my crayola crayons all 90+ of them fell to the ground and many broke. I was then assigned to another teacher. 5th grade was really bad, all of the 5th grade students teased me, bullied me hard core. My teacher did nothing when I would cry because 1st kid threw the ball at me and hit me in my face with force. She did nothing.
2nd half of 5th grade until I graduated HS: home schooled.
Yeah, I guess I'll start with that ...
Any input/advise would be great, thanks
Maeghan – I just posted this same thing in another thread. A while back, I wrote the following:
Read Tony Attwood’s Book (“The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome”). If he discusses anything that resonates with you, document it. Read about Schizoid (or any other psychological condition). If you read anything that resonates with you, document it.
Also, go through your Baby Book. Document Motor capabilities (when did you first crawl, walk alone, run), Fine Motor capabilities (when could you feed myself with a spoon, write letters, tie shoes), Language capabilities (when could you first use single words, sentences), Social/Adaptive capabilities (when were you potty trained during day/night). Document your temperament, sleeping patterns, eating patterns when you were an infant and any problems with early child development. Document various milestones with each grade in school (e.g. performance, best subjects, salient comments from teachers/parents, key events).
The more you have written, the better you can prepare the person for doing a more thorough evaluation.
Good luck.
The more you have written, the better you can prepare the person for doing a more thorough evaluation.
Good luck.
Wow, thank you ... yeah, that is really helpful ... this is also exhausting.
A baby book ... yeah, my parents didn't do that for me. My mom can not even remember what time i was born.
Read Tony Attwood’s Book (“The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome”). If he discusses anything that resonates with you, document it. Read about Schizoid (or any other psychological condition). If you read anything that resonates with you, document it.
Also, go through your Baby Book. Document Motor capabilities (when did you first crawl, walk alone, run), Fine Motor capabilities (when could you feed myself with a spoon, write letters, tie shoes), Language capabilities (when could you first use single words, sentences), Social/Adaptive capabilities (when were you potty trained during day/night). Document your temperament, sleeping patterns, eating patterns when you were an infant and any problems with early child development. Document various milestones with each grade in school (e.g. performance, best subjects, salient comments from teachers/parents, key events).
The more you have written, the better you can prepare the person for doing a more thorough evaluation.
Good luck.
The thing is, I did this, and the guy told me to stop talking after 10 minutes and talk about everything he could attribute to ADHD instead. With his poor attention span I'd think he were just projecting. It was so frustrating because it kinda sounds like a wild lie I'm making up but I know this is what I have and I want them to recognise it. >__< Guess it's the right method you just need the right Dr too.
Best of luck to the OP. I'll be going through this ordeal soon again hopefully.
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AQ: 34
AS: 136/200
NT: 55/200
Alexthymia: 126/185
Suspected 'Pure O' OCD. (OCI: 64 or 11.6)
And wonderfully facially blind. XD
Agreed. You need to carefully “shop around” when selecting a Psychologist for an assessment, by asking questions. The questions I asked included:
1. What neuropsychological exams/tools/instruments do you use in conducting this evaluation?
2. Will your testing help identify whether I have Aspergers or whether it's simply anxiety, social anxiety, extreme introversion, extreme shyness, lack of confidence, social phobia, low self-esteem, schizoid, obsessive compulsive personality disorder, ... causing these symptoms?
3. How much experience do you testing for Aspergers? How many adults have you diagnosed as being on the spectrum?
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I've recently become friends because we both instantly connected due to many factors but the main one being that we both sustpected that we have aspergers/autism. So we eventually got appointments at a University Psychiatric clinic.He had the first appointment on july 1st and I had the 2nd one a week later on the july 8th.
I went with him last week to be moral support and by doing this I observed the structure of his visit; it was two sessions ... 1:30 with a social worker where he was asked standard questions that they ask everyone on their first visit ... then he he met with a psychiatrist and had an open-ended conversation ... in that conversation he asked the Dr. if he had aspergers/autism and the doctor said yes ...
So my appointment/evaluation was yesterday ... i'm not seen by a social worker; instead i get a new intern doctor on her first day being her first patient ... the psychiatrist that my friend saw last week sat in and observed for about 45-1hr
when i was asked questions, i would go into detail giving backstory explaining myself
i made it clear in the beginning that i was there because i thought i had autism; i made it clear that at least i thought i did that my overall life was going well but financial burdens really put a hinderance on me ... and my social retardedness hurts me in the aspect/context of being an artist/musician
later through the questionnaire ... survey whatever the intern/new doctor mentioned time .. that it was running short ... when the questions were over i felt like i wasn't finished ... i was expecting to see a psychiatrist where i could talk open ended ... about aspergers ... and nope, i was done ... i was so flustered i wanted to cry ... so i went back to ask if i could ask her a question "do you think it's possible that i might have aspergers?" ...
I'm really really dissapointed with how my initial evaluation went; when i asked the doctor on the phone a few hours after my visit if she thought it was a possibility she said that it's not something that can be determined after one visit ... and instead she mentions other symptoms that i have according to her ... but i don't have them,forgive me, i was really looking for help and it's like ... 'once again, people don't listen to me and what they do hear they completely misinterpret or take out of context.'
Maybe they didn't take you seriously if you went with friend first off, both of you thinking yourselves Aspergers before even getting diagnosed maybe they thought psychosomatic.
You mention your "overall life going well but financial burdens putting a hinderance on you" and and my social retardedness hurts me in the aspect/context of being an artist/musician"
You mention your life is going well. Which seems like all is fine. You are normal and have financial burdens as does everyone else.
Did you mention your social skills secondary to the financial burdens? It seems your life is going well. Are you a musician that plays in a band or front of crowds? Sounds like you have enough people skills to me.
I don't know why so many people get hung up on getting diagnosed Aspergers. It is ridiculous.
Had you brought up social skills as your main problem and also have you actually shown them that your social skills are a problem as opposed to just finances, maybe they would have thought differently.
Next time i would go alone to a place to get a test, it seems less serious when you go with friends.
I had a similar experience recently. The psychiatrist kept talking about anxiety, OCD, depression etc and seemed to be trying to "help" me with those problems rather than diagnosing me. So right from the beginning the psychiatrist had a wrong purpose though I clearly mentioned at the beginning of the session my purpose of my visit.
I think unless you go and see a psychiatrist/psychologist who specifically specializes in diagnosis of AS/autism and has plenty of experience in doing that, it's likely that the psychiatrist/psychologist will try to see your problem in terms of depression/anxiety/OCD or any other mental/psychological issues. As many psycological/psychiatric diagnoses can be very subjective, depending on who does the evaluation, the outcome can be very different, or even wrong if it's done by an inexperienced "professional".
I'm in a very similar situation at the moment. I'm wondering what I should try next.
Agreed. You need to carefully “shop around” when selecting a Psychologist for an assessment, by asking questions. The questions I asked included:
1. What neuropsychological exams/tools/instruments do you use in conducting this evaluation?
2. Will your testing help identify whether I have Aspergers or whether it's simply anxiety, social anxiety, extreme introversion, extreme shyness, lack of confidence, social phobia, low self-esteem, schizoid, obsessive compulsive personality disorder, ... causing these symptoms?
3. How much experience do you testing for Aspergers? How many adults have you diagnosed as being on the spectrum?
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Not sure how well this applies for people in the UK using the NHS, You're often just shoved on a waiting list, mine was around a year and a half long, then was seen by this rubbish Dr as mentioned.
I'm now waiting to meet my Psychiatrist finally so am hoping he'll be receptive to the suggestion of a re-assessment on the grounds that Autism West Midlands will accept me onto helpful courses designed for those on the spectrum for personal development and employment building skills, only once I have a diagnosis though.
So it's not about being 'sick' but about getting the right support to work with what I am and have got. Which is a much better reason to get a diagnosis and so far professionals are agreeing this will likely help me get them to consider it (seeing as someone has to agree to funding it so yeah...).
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AQ: 34
AS: 136/200
NT: 55/200
Alexthymia: 126/185
Suspected 'Pure O' OCD. (OCI: 64 or 11.6)
And wonderfully facially blind. XD
You mention your "overall life going well but financial burdens putting a hinderance on you" and and my social retardedness hurts me in the aspect/context of being an artist/musician"
You mention your life is going well. Which seems like all is fine. You are normal and have financial burdens as does everyone else.
Did you mention your social skills secondary to the financial burdens? It seems your life is going well. Are you a musician that plays in a band or front of crowds? Sounds like you have enough people skills to me.
I don't have a job because of my people skills. I feel guilty because I'm not contributing while my husband works.
I"m not in a band ... because of my people skills. I don't play shows, the only person I have to play with is my husband and a band needs more than two people.
I really don't think this is fare at all. I look at an Asperger's diagnosis as a diagnosis that 'there is nothing wrong with me'. I've had doctor's in my past say that i might have borderline personality disorder, or might be bi-polar. I look at those as being problems, when I know deep down inside that I don't have a problem. I'm just wired differently.
Next time i would go alone to a place to get a test, it seems less serious when you go with friends.
I did bring up my social skills as being my main problem ... i also saw the doctor again today and I'm happy ... she's gonna work with me. I have a communication problem. I'm not good at communicating.
My friend went to support me, I went to support him. I should clarify that they didn't tell my friend that he has aspergers, they told him that aspergers was a likely diagnosis for them to look into. I didn't know what to say on the first visit. The doctor told me to write things down for this 2nd visit and I did and I'm happy with how it went.