And all this time, I was in the lion's den

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25 Aug 2008, 7:08 pm

It's only since visiting the Autism Speaks forums just now, that I've learned of the acrimony between this and that community.

And here I am, a bigtime curebie - in the lion's den without realising it.

But I make no apology for my curebie sentiments.

Although I MIGHT change my handle to CurebieAndProud.

LOL

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25 Aug 2008, 7:12 pm

oooo...kay...

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25 Aug 2008, 7:16 pm

When you say 'curebie', do you mean you would like to have a cure for yourself, or that you would also like to cure others of us, possibly against our wills?

As long as you limit your cure those who want it, this particular Lion(ess) is not going to bother you.

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25 Aug 2008, 7:45 pm

This actually reminds me of Xmen 3. They make a cure and try to force it on us, but with our superpowers, we will thwart their plans!

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25 Aug 2008, 8:19 pm

CityAsylum wrote:

What CA said, exactly. Just because two websites seem to have some vague and abstract overarching conflict going on doesn't mean that individual members of each one can't get along.

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25 Aug 2008, 8:29 pm

raaaaawwwwrrrrr

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25 Aug 2008, 10:42 pm

ot on the website but see no forum

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26 Aug 2008, 2:32 am

CityAsylum wrote:

Auties would be offered a cure - but only once.
Declining it would legally disqualify them from any further offer.

Fair ?

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26 Aug 2008, 3:00 am

CityAsylum wrote:

When you say 'curebie', do you mean you would like to have a cure for yourself, or that you would also like to cure others of us, possibly against our wills?.

He made his odious attitudes clear in the thread titled 'Undiagnosing Einstein'. He means that he wants to eradicate our kind from the gene pool forever:

MemberSix wrote:

Let's stick to the eradication of Autism from the gene pool

What he advocates is a form of genocide, but he refuses to accept this- imagine if someone applied this to other outsider groups; as in suggesting that he 'did not want a genocide of the jews,' but simply 'wanted to prevent jews from being born'.

His ideology of the genetic eradication of difference places him with the most extremist 'autism speaks' members.

Magliabechi.

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26 Aug 2008, 3:24 am

MemberSix wrote:

Auties would be offered a cure - but only once.
Declining it would legally disqualify them from any further offer.

Fair ?

Neither fair nor consistent with the way medicine is generally practiced. But also unlikely anyway.

At any rate, I don't take issue with your wanting a cure, but I do take issue with your characterizing (elsewhere) a lot of people I happen to know and care about as monsters, just because they would willingly have autistic children. And the list of people I know who don't mind having autistic children and would not have changed anything if they could, starts with my parents. It's possible to disagree with them without calling them names, but you had to call them names for some reason, and that part I find really offensive.

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26 Aug 2008, 3:38 am

anbuend wrote:

MemberSix wrote:

Auties would be offered a cure - but only once.
Declining it would legally disqualify them from any further offer.

Fair ?

And there we have it.
You're unable to look at the argument objectively.
Your parents didn't have a choice as to whether to have you with or without Autism.

And it's pretty big of prospective parents to willingly have autistic children by choice.
But what about the autistic child ?

Where's the consideration of him in all of this ?

And you folk talk about the 'rights of the unborn child' ?

Not just hypocritical - but gut-wrenchingly sickening !

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26 Aug 2008, 4:45 am

Unable to look at arguments objectively? I'm not the one who's sitting around saying 'you people' as if you know what my beliefs on a wide variety of other subjects are.

And I'm not the one running around calling people 'monsters'.

Nor am I running around claiming that being offended by the idea of referring to decent human beings as monsters, is somehow not objective enough, and therefore to be dismissed. (You seem to read "objective" as "agreeing with you", or something.)

Nor am I sitting there talking to a former autistic child, claiming that they don't consider autistic children. o_O

And on that note, I'm not really willing to take this conversation further, as it stands now, because it seems fairly pointless to have a conversation with someone who is so resolutely clinging to the idea that I am someone else, saying something else, other than I am. And more to the point, I'm not capable of holding as many things as it takes in my head t have such a conversation. Even if I wanted to, my grasp on language is more limited than it looks, especially receptive language, and I don't have the skills to put together the kind of concepts required to talk productively in these situations.

Doesn't mean I don't have opinions, or that my opinions are not valid, or that they are any less (or more) objective than yours, just means I'm not capable of holding a conversation where attempting to describe why some people are not "monsters" magically morphs into a discussion of my supposedly being part of a "you people" who think certain things that are supposedly connected to what I said.

At any rate, I have a narrow range of areas in terms of language where I either excel or seem to excel. This is utterly not one of them.

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26 Aug 2008, 4:51 am

anbuend wrote:

Shame.
Given the passion that your first response indicated, I hoped this might turn into a fruitful discussion.
Your focus on my approach rather than the argument at issue could be taken as a concession of defeat.
But I'm happy to take it as offered.

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26 Aug 2008, 5:31 am

MemberSix wrote:

And it's pretty big of prospective parents to willingly have autistic children by choice.
But what about the autistic child ?

Where's the consideration of him in all of this ?

It seems like you're assuming that autistic children are unhappy with being autistic, to the point where they would prefer nonexistence. Why would this be the case? Or am I misunderstanding you?

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26 Aug 2008, 5:45 am

AngelUndercover wrote:

MemberSix wrote:

And it's pretty big of prospective parents to willingly have autistic children by choice.
But what about the autistic child ?

Where's the consideration of him in all of this ?

It seems like you're assuming that autistic children are unhappy with being autistic

If they were able to experience being non-Autistic, they most certainly would be.
And THAT'S why I say only an unthinking or grossly misguided prospective parent would make the choice for an Autistic conception over a non-Autistic one.

Few people are unhappy to be what they are - as they don't generally, have anything else to compare it with.

So the idea that people would rather be dead than Autistic is entirely specious.

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26 Aug 2008, 5:48 am

MemberSix wrote:

AngelUndercover wrote:

MemberSix wrote:

And it's pretty big of prospective parents to willingly have autistic children by choice.
But what about the autistic child ?

Where's the consideration of him in all of this ?

It seems like you're assuming that autistic children are unhappy with being autistic

If they were able to experience being non-Autistic, they most certainly would be.

I'm not sure how you would know that. No cure for autism exists, so no one (as far as I know) has experienced both being autistic and not being autistic.

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