Why is there no discussion about curing NT Bigotry?

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JBM
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31 Jan 2007, 11:19 pm

I don't need to be cured of AS, I need NT people to be cured of their Nazi attitudes towards anyone who isn't just like them.



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31 Jan 2007, 11:25 pm

I don't really think that is a fair statement...but carry on with your rage, or whatever.


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31 Jan 2007, 11:35 pm

I'm all ears. Carry on.



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31 Jan 2007, 11:50 pm

JBM wrote:
I don't need to be cured of AS, I need NT people to be cured of their Nazi attitudes towards anyone who isn't just like them.


NT = Nazi.

AS = Jew,russian,etc.

WE NEED TO END THE DAMNED OPPRESSION,AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE WORLD!! !! !


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31 Jan 2007, 11:51 pm

This question is a response to the "Why so much opposition to curing AS?" post

Many of the greatest inventors and leaders of all time were quirky and anti social intellectuals, if not in fact some of them Aspies. NT people were the ones running the concentration camps and conducting the witch trials, not me.



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01 Feb 2007, 2:02 am

I don't mind NT people wanting to cure AS, because to them they think they are doing a caring and helpful thing by 'correcting' our 'problem' . What gets me mad is when they treat aspies and auties who don't want to be cured like they're doing something wrong and there is something further wrong with them because they don't want to be cured. Like I saw an article about curing AS and autism and it said things like 'some people with autism are actually opposed to being cured' as though this was a terrible thing.



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01 Feb 2007, 3:04 am

I don't understand why everyone here thinks NTs are bad. :?



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01 Feb 2007, 3:46 am

The only thing that can cure their sunny disposition is a show of force and draconian measures. Which is funny, since that's my solution to everything.



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01 Feb 2007, 4:44 am

Oh, it's alright. You can choose to carry on, to not want to accomodate and tolerate different people from yourself. What we need to do though is to come to an understanding and be able to tolerate each other. That is the best way forward for both our groups. Going off into 'no surrender' land will do us nothing but harm.



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01 Feb 2007, 5:17 am

Here's a quote I found interesting from the Chronicle review (its about deafness but equally relevant and I've inserted the words apspies, asd's

"So people with disabilities, and aspies, asd's deaf people, gay people, and children of deaf adults could say: We represent one potential way out of the dead end of identity politics. We are social groups that are not defined solely by bodily characteristics, genetic qualities, or inherited traits. We are not defined by a single linguistic practice. We need not be defined in advance by an oppressor. We choose to unite ourselves for new purposes. We are not an ethnic or minority group, but something new and different, emerging from the smoke of identity politics and rising like a phoenix of the postmodern age."

As I see it, despite desires to cure us, NTs are missing out on the potentiality that us have to offer. We can move on and shift the goalposts and keep the NT's running. Because in the end they wil have to relent and agree that we are all moving into a new era of understanding - thats one where NT's would be at a loss without people like us. 'Elimination' of others is just the NT's narrowmidness and narrowsightness



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01 Feb 2007, 5:55 am

What about your nazi attitude towards NTs?

I want to make an autistic rights movement, but not to belittle NTs.



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01 Feb 2007, 6:12 am

I hate nazis so dont use that word on me please! You dont know me so do not try to imply that I have an attitude. I do not for any one reason think anyone on this planet has a right over another group, and that is why war, eugenics, murder, rape, gas chambers, killing the lot, violence, bigotry, bullying, persecution, partisian attitudes - all the tired old attempts and schemes and tricks to justify one person/race/country over another is just so bloody old fashioned.

In my other post I said NT's would be at a loss without us. How can that justify the words you have just used towards me?



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01 Feb 2007, 6:33 am

JBM wrote:
This question is a response to the "Why so much opposition to curing AS?" post

Many of the greatest inventors and leaders of all time were quirky and anti social intellectuals, if not in fact some of them Aspies. NT people were the ones running the concentration camps and conducting the witch trials, not me.


You think Hitler was NT?



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01 Feb 2007, 6:46 am

roger2006 wrote:
I hate nazis so dont use that word on me please! You dont know me so do not try to imply that I have an attitude. I do not for any one reason think anyone on this planet has a right over another group, and that is why war, eugenics, murder, rape, gas chambers, killing the lot, violence, bigotry, bullying, persecution, partisian attitudes - all the tired old attempts and schemes and tricks to justify one person/race/country over another is just so bloody old fashioned.

In my other post I said NT's would be at a loss without us. How can that justify the words you have just used towards me?


Because you have used blanket generalizations like "Elimination' of others is just the NT's narrowmidness and narrowsightness" and you use these remarks in a derogatory way. I am NT and I love the way my son thinks and views things and sees the world. I am sad for the treatment my brother received his entire damn life in school by jerks etc. (I believe my brother is an undiagnosed aspie) However, if you could see the things we NT see with our emotional views always on high alert then you would want to alleviate the alienation of our loved ones as well. ( I am not saying our view is worse or better or anything else here, just different than an Asperger view)

Could it be by teaching tolerance, YES, I totally think that is the way to go . However, people don't want to accept that the easiest road is to teach tolerance. I mean, we have been trying to teach tolerance for ethnic backgrounds and sexual orientation for eons now.



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01 Feb 2007, 1:32 pm

The use of the word "nazi" in describing attitudes of NTs (ie: not Aspies, or those with those diagnosed with or suspected, self or otherwise, of mental conditions/disorders/whatevers) is inappropriate. It is bad enough when words like "bigot" are thrown to generally desribe people but "nazi" is way to far. The Nazis murdered millions of innocent people. The comparison is unfair.



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01 Feb 2007, 1:41 pm

RedMage wrote:
I don't understand why everyone here thinks NTs are bad. :?


Because they are.


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