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29 Sep 2013, 2:35 pm

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They want subjective refutable assumptions to be taken as matter of facts and do not give credit to scientific proof, surveys and scientific data on objective matters.


I agree that a lot of people are closed-minded about their subjective opinions and don't like to have those opinions challenged by fact. I am often annoyed by this. However, I think your claim that NT people do not give credit to scientific proof on objective matters is a bit of a generalization, and you state that as if it's an absolute.

Whether or not someone is handsome is a subjective question. Whether or not fire can burn something is an objective question. If an NT person does not give credit to evidence that fire can burn things, then they're just an idiot.

For the record (even though I doubt either of you cares), I recognize Brad Pitt as an "attractive" man, although I am personally not attracted to him.



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29 Sep 2013, 3:30 pm

Hang on, I didn't say NTs. I'm talking about people different from me.
That my colleague used the word 'a-typical' is not my choice.


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29 Sep 2013, 3:48 pm

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Hang on, I didn't say NTs. I'm talking about people different from me.
That my colleague used the word 'a-typical' is not my choice.


Ah, okay. I misunderstood. I apologize for taking offense :wink:



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29 Sep 2013, 9:36 pm

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I recently read "A Field Guide To Earthlings," By Ian Ford {you can read the first 20 pages online free.] it explains 62 bahavior patterns in NT's. Reading it was enlightening and horrifying. It was what I learned from this book, and, of course my son, that inspired me to get moving now on working on organizing mini- retreats for Autistics and making plans for an intentional autistic community.


vickygleitz – I read "A Field Guide To Earthlings" several months back. My first thought, after reading the book, was "no way”. After reading it a second time, I posted on Wrong Planet about it, A Field Guide to Earthlings” – Is this for Real? <click>. The book has definitely helped me better understand NTs.



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29 Sep 2013, 9:38 pm

i dunno. i don't have any positive or negative attached to either aspie or NT (terms). to me it's helpful in reconfiguring how i think about myself, and distinguishing myself from a population i've always found alien and strange, without putting myself down or them either.


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30 Sep 2013, 10:03 am

Neither Aspie nor NT have any negative connotations to them. If an NT is offended by the term NT, then that basically means that they're offended because it suggests that their brain functions normally, which they view as a bad thing, based on their own perception. If they're offended by themselves, then that must mean that they feel hatred towards themselves and their own characteristics. The same applies to the term Aspie. Why would anyone be offended by a term that just describes characteristics that they actually have, except in instances where it's used with negative intent?

I think I'd be kind of offended by someone who would think that the term Aspie would be offensive to me, but not by someone using the word to describe me. Why would they think that I'd be offended by my own characteristics? By thinking the term would be offensive to me, they'd be suggesting that they think they're better than me just because I'm on the spectrum and they're not. They'd be denying all of the positive characteristics that came with me being on the spectrum, by thinking of me as some unmentionable, subhuman being.



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30 Sep 2013, 6:43 pm

I really seriously think Aspie's function normally. That is, I don't think it's a mental problem so much a societal problem. we're just different, we're not serial killers (at least i don't think many if any of us are).



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30 Sep 2013, 6:49 pm

wozeree wrote:
I really seriously think Aspie's function normally. That is, I don't think it's a mental problem so much a societal problem. we're just different, we're not serial killers (at least i don't think many if any of us are).


I read somewhere that the incidence of criminal behaviours especially murder is very low in the autistic population, much lower then in any other social group.


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30 Sep 2013, 6:58 pm

I think criminal behavior and murder is on a whole other level. Not AS, not NT, something else.



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30 Sep 2013, 7:08 pm

I invite you to consider that not all murderers and serial killers have disorders placing them out of the neurotypical community, the research I'm making reference to shows that someone with a developmental disorder (Autistic Spectrum) is less likely to have commorbid pathologies causing a murderous behaviour: LESS likely.

Which is by no means offensive towards everybody else.


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30 Sep 2013, 7:12 pm

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vickygleitz wrote:
I recently read "A Field Guide To Earthlings," By Ian Ford {you can read the first 20 pages online free.] it explains 62 bahavior patterns in NT's. Reading it was enlightening and horrifying. It was what I learned from this book, and, of course my son, that inspired me to get moving now on working on organizing mini- retreats for Autistics and making plans for an intentional autistic community.


Are you suggesting segregation and avoidance as an answer?


Not segregation per se. If you are autistic however, it would be nice to have some autistic space on a regular basis.



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30 Sep 2013, 7:13 pm

Yeah, i just meant to say that we may be different but we're not bad. serial killer was kind of an example.



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30 Sep 2013, 7:18 pm

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Yeah, i just meant to say that we may be different but we're not bad. serial killer was kind of an example.


and my comment was a politically and scientifically correct enforcement of your statement...


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30 Sep 2013, 7:21 pm

i thought you guys thought I was going on about serial killers (like a repeat of the hat problem). Thank god somebody finally understood me@ :D



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30 Sep 2013, 7:26 pm

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i thought you guys thought I was going on about serial killers (like a repeat of the hat problem). Thank god somebody finally understood me@ :D


Nah! :D just a repetitive action like... pointing out scientific proof to enforce even minor examples xD . Your goal was clear... mine apparently a little less :?


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30 Sep 2013, 7:37 pm

You're fine, I always enjoy your comments.