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05 Oct 2013, 7:20 pm

Well firstly, there are a lot of times that people are apparently confused about the way of which I will respond to something, and I am apparently unpredictable.
There are times however that I am asked what I am feeling about something, and I didn't know that I was supposed to automatically have any opinion or reaction at all to something, because it just felt irrelevant to anything that I care about.
My counselor said, "Ahahaha, yeeeah, we'll talk about empathy next time."
Is this an autisctic-empathy thing?
Am I really supposed to have opinions about everything, even if they seem just so irrelevant to anything that is supposed to matter to me in any way??
Such as, I am asked what I feel about my peers doing certain things, and I don't know why I am supposed to feel anything, because it's what they are doing, not me. Why should these things have to apply to my thinking at all?
Don't understand me wrongly, though, because I have very strong opinions about many things, but those things seem to appear to other people as irrelevant, while things that they think are important, I find irrelevant.
So.....just......why what why.....?/??


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05 Oct 2013, 8:27 pm

Wow, your counselor sounds like a Douche-y McDouche because he or she LAUGHED at you! Most counselors are bullies towards ASD clients without completely realizing it, so bring this up if you feel bullied by your counselor.

For reactions, nod your head slightly and say "mm-hm" just loud enough for the person speaking to you to hear. This means you're communicating the idea, "OK, I'm hearing and understanding you," without having to interrupt that person.


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05 Oct 2013, 8:41 pm

WestBender84 wrote:
Wow, your counselor sounds like a Douche-y McDouche because he or she LAUGHED at you! Most counselors are bullies towards ASD clients without completely realizing it, so bring this up if you feel bullied by your counselor.
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I've seen a couple reports here on this board of counselors/therapists/mental health pros treating ASD clients in a dismissive or bullying way, almost like they can't resist or something.



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05 Oct 2013, 8:55 pm

WestBender84 wrote:
Wow, your counselor sounds like a Douche-y McDouche because he or she LAUGHED at you! Most counselors are bullies towards ASD clients without completely realizing it, so bring this up if you feel bullied by your counselor.

For reactions, nod your head slightly and say "mm-hm" just loud enough for the person speaking to you to hear. This means you're communicating the idea, "OK, I'm hearing and understanding you," without having to interrupt that person.


Well, my mom is always in the room at the same time. My counselor often laughs and then asks me if I understand why what I did could be percieved as funny, but sometimes she just randomly laughs with my mom as they speak of me and says, "ahh yes, classic. Classic Asperger's," but I also can't decide wether or not I feel insulted by that, but I think that I really just mostly feel confused or don't really care at all.


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05 Oct 2013, 8:57 pm

I understand how you feel.

My mom has mentioned that I act like it's no big deal when something major happens, but overreact to minor things. It appears that the things I find very important seem minor to everyone else, while I couldn't care less about the things most other people find important. While discussing a different topic (my short-term memory issues), my psychiatrist told my mom that "[I don't] pay attention to anything outside of [my] special interests." Which I think could also explain my apathy towards most issues.



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05 Oct 2013, 9:09 pm

I don't know if it's an autistic thing. I thought even normal people don't have any opinions about everything and have no feelings towards it if they don't care much about it. They are like "meh" about it.

it always looks like to me when someone has a label, therapists will focus on it and blame everything on it forgetting even allistic people do X too.


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05 Oct 2013, 9:27 pm

League_Girl wrote:
I don't know if it's an autistic thing. I thought even normal people don't have any opinions about everything and have no feelings towards it if they don't care much about it. They are like "meh" about it.

it always looks like to me when someone has a label, therapists will focus on it and blame everything on it forgetting even allistic people do X too.


There was something about this in the Rosenhan experiment, normal behaviors of the sane participants would be attributed to their fake illness and medicalized. Them taking notes would become "pathological note taking" etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment



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05 Oct 2013, 9:41 pm

TheSperg wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I don't know if it's an autistic thing. I thought even normal people don't have any opinions about everything and have no feelings towards it if they don't care much about it. They are like "meh" about it.

it always looks like to me when someone has a label, therapists will focus on it and blame everything on it forgetting even allistic people do X too.


There was something about this in the Rosenhan experiment, normal behaviors of the sane participants would be attributed to their fake illness and medicalized. Them taking notes would become "pathological note taking" etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment


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05 Oct 2013, 10:27 pm

Oh serenaserenaserena! The hardest thing for me to read in your post is that you are being talked about in the third person by two adults, and in front of you no less! How rude! And that these are two people who should have your best interests at heart? You have every reason and right to feel confused and upset by their behavior.

However, learning the NT values system is one of life's more annoying little tasks...from the 'vital importance' of popular culture (please understand that this is a sarcastic statement)...to things that really are important socially, like how to get along with the kids in your class, how to avoid being bullied etc, and just generally understanding human behavior.

Notice, that I am not saying you ought to be more like them or not be yourself...just that learning these things is an easy subtext to the general curriculum for most kids, but for people on the spectrum it's really a major subject.

You have every right to your own opinions (even not having any!)...but there are a lot of people who find it important for their own reasons to make sure you are 'on their side'...or you 'think the right things'...One of the more difficult tasks is sorting through this social maze. It takes a lot of consideration of the dynamics of the relationships, and it also takes a willingness to be creative in managing people like this.

I wonder where your counsellor's empathy is for YOU?!

Try not to let it get you down. You're a smart kid.