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01 Dec 2013, 6:40 pm

Hi, gang. Remember my neighbor whom I told you about in March and in the message below from August? The one whom I told I have AS because her nephew has it? And who denied AS is autism and told me my hypersensitivity was "all in my mind?" I've been avoiding her like the plague and we haven't even seen each other in about two months. She would sometimes email me and ask if I'd like to go grocery shopping with her and I would say no, even though I did need a ride.

Well, today I thought enough time had gone by so that the difficult conversations we'd had about AS were long forgotten. So when she emailed me again today and asked if I'd like to ride into town with her to do some errands, I said yes. I needed some groceries and the weather was really lousy. I thought it'd be "safe" to do this.

We drove into town and I made very careful, non-personal conversation with her. Then when we were on the way back, she said the following: "I've been meaning to tell you that I saw a link to an article on Facebook about how Americans are infatuated with labeling certain mental problems, calling them ADHD, dyslexia and Asperger's, but in Europe most people think those aren't really disorders of the brain, but the result of conditioning."

After nearly a year she's still trying to convince me my condition isn't neurological. I was so stunned I didn't know what to say. I changed the subject. We arrived back at our apartment building and I went upstairs.

From now on if I need groceries I don't care if there is a tornado, a cyclone, a snowstorm and a hurricane all raging at the same time. I will go out and walk to the store. I will never, never get into a car with this woman again. I was naive to think enough time had gone by and that it was OK to be with her. What she said is so insensitive and so cruel I don't know what to say.

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Hi, everybody. This is another P.S. to a story I posted back in March, where I told about a neighbor of mine (whom I also used to think of as a friend) who told me her nephew has AS. So I thought it'd be OK to tell her I have it, too. But later when I used the word "autism" she hotly denied that AS is autism. When I tried to explain it to her she sharply cut me off. Later she also told me my hypersensitivity is all in my mind. I was very hurt, so I came here and wrote about this and got a lot of great advice. I no longer consider this woman a friend. I'm just civil to her when we meet each other in the hall.

Now I have a little P.S.: this morning she pasted the following quote on Facebook: "Autism doesn't scare me near as much as ignorance does. Far more people have it and it's spreading."

How ironic is that???? Lady, ya wanna see ignorance? Look in the mirror!



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01 Dec 2013, 6:53 pm

What was cruel about what she said?



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01 Dec 2013, 6:53 pm

I have a sister who thinks all mental illness is just laziness. two other sisters, a nephew, and I all have mental illness. we do stuff with the bigoted sister. we just consider the ill-informed source and don't let her bother us.

you did well to change the subject. no need to punish yourself by not getting rides. just don't take her seriously.



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01 Dec 2013, 7:23 pm

higgie wrote:
What she said is so insensitive and so cruel I don't know what to say.


I don't see why it is insensitive and cruel to mention the fact that other people see things differently, nor does the statement about European attitudes indicate another attempt to change your mind. With nothing more to judge than what you've posted here, it's conceivable that she was merely trying to legitimate her own position, rather than change yours.



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01 Dec 2013, 8:12 pm

Maybe she has AS and is bad at interpersonal skills?



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01 Dec 2013, 8:29 pm

I think you're right to steer clear of her in the future. She is not being insensitive. She's being passive aggressive, i.e. socially acceptably hostile. She knows what she's doing and saying. Don't expose yourself to her poison anymore. You deserve support, not denial of who you are.



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01 Dec 2013, 9:54 pm

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What was cruel about what she said?


She seemed to be trying to present evidence that a problem from which I've suffered all my life is not the result of a neurological disorder. I thought she was minimizing it. My problem can't be the result of conditioning because my siblings and I all grew up with the same conditioning and I'm the only one who's turned out as I have.



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01 Dec 2013, 9:59 pm

But her position has always been that my problems are self-inflicted and "all in my mind." And when she mentioned the European attitudes, it sounded like she was trying to prove that supposition. That's what I found insensitive.


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higgie wrote:
What she said is so insensitive and so cruel I don't know what to say.


I don't see why it is insensitive and cruel to mention the fact that other people see things differently, nor does the statement about European attitudes indicate another attempt to change your mind. With nothing more to judge than what you've posted here, it's conceivable that she was merely trying to legitimate her own position, rather than change yours.



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01 Dec 2013, 10:00 pm

Could be!! !

JSBACHlover wrote:
Maybe she has AS and is bad at interpersonal skills?



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01 Dec 2013, 10:01 pm

Good idea. Thank you very much.


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I think you're right to steer clear of her in the future. She is not being insensitive. She's being passive aggressive, i.e. socially acceptably hostile. She knows what she's doing and saying. Don't expose yourself to her poison anymore. You deserve support, not denial of who you are.



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01 Dec 2013, 10:50 pm

Technically it *is* originating from your mind. :lol:


I have found that the people in my life who are most insistent on disagreeing with a diagnosis are often actually trying to show they care about me/my family. When I realized that, I just let it all go. I work on making certain *I* agree with the diagnosis and then if other people don't agree, it's their problem.



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01 Dec 2013, 11:01 pm

I wouldn't want to be around that person either. Having them be dismissive of your diagnosis and saying "it's all in your head" is to me like saying that you are a big lying faker and just need to get over it. They need to just stfu and mind their own business.



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02 Dec 2013, 6:41 pm

higgie wrote:
screen_name wrote:
What was cruel about what she said?


She seemed to be trying to present evidence that a problem from which I've suffered all my life is not the result of a neurological disorder.


But...that's not cruel. She might be mistaken, but, in and of itself, this isn't indicative of cruelty. What you are doing, it seems, is taking purely neutral ideas and inferring a motive. You know this person, and how she usually is, and her mannerisms as she said this, so you may well be justified in that inference, but we have no way of knowing why she said these things, thus we can't legitimately agree that this person was being cruel.

I often have problems with people assuming evil motives from purely factual things that I say. It's very unpleasant, and I would not like to see it happen to someone else.



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02 Dec 2013, 6:45 pm

higgie wrote:
But her position has always been that my problems are self-inflicted and "all in my mind." And when she mentioned the European attitudes, it sounded like she was trying to prove that supposition. That's what I found insensitive.


But if something is a matter of social conditioning, that is like the exact opposite of "all in the mind." One's an internal justification for the condition, the other is external, so one cannot support an argument for the other.



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02 Dec 2013, 7:10 pm

starkid wrote:
higgie wrote:
screen_name wrote:
What was cruel about what she said?


She seemed to be trying to present evidence that a problem from which I've suffered all my life is not the result of a neurological disorder.


But...that's not cruel. She might be mistaken, but, in and of itself, this isn't indicative of cruelty. What you are doing, it seems, is taking purely neutral ideas and inferring a motive. You know this person, and how she usually is, and her mannerisms as she said this, so you may well be justified in that inference, but we have no way of knowing why she said these things, thus we can't legitimately agree that this person was being cruel.

I often have problems with people assuming evil motives from purely factual things that I say. It's very unpleasant, and I would not like to see it happen to someone else.


I have had people mistake my innocent messages for malevolent ones my whole life. Which is why I try to not do this to others and try to persuade others to not do it either. It does hurt, a lot.


But, truth be told, having people disagree with my diagnosis also hurts. I'm sorry.



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02 Dec 2013, 7:17 pm

screen_name wrote:
...having people disagree with my diagnosis also hurts...


Ask such people if they're qualified to diagnose any medical condition. Ask them if they're qualified to diagnose autism.

When they say "no", tell them they need to stop practising medicine without a license, and leave it to the experts. You might also suggest they stop being abusive to the disabled, as they could get themselves in a lot of legal or social hot water that way.

Suggest a therapist for their tendency to live in denial of things other people recognize as real.

Part company with the words "I'm sorry you're having this problem. Let me know if I can help further, but remember I have my own problem to deal with too."


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