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30 Oct 2013, 4:44 pm

Today I attended my local aspergers group, and a member spoke up about orbs, & extra-terrestrial origins of humanities evolution.
I joined in the conversation, and it got interesting;
Eric von daniken came up loads, and 4 of the 20 present had experienced seeing balls of light (I was one of the 4).
Then the subject went onto the genetic manipulation on human DNA by extra-terrestrial entities.
1 of the 4 considered that aspergers is in fact a result of extra-terrestrial manipulation of human DNA in evolutionary enhancement.
I then said that I do not believe that such being are extra-terrestrial but inter-dimensional Nephilim.
1 of the other 4 said that they agreed with me, but the original person said that they disagreed.

The whole thing got kinda weird & took me back to the interest I used to have regarding the Giza Pyramids, Elohim, Genesis, and loads more.
I can feel myself being drawn back to that obsession, and I don't think it is good.
It certainly "fried" my mind at the time & I'd rather keep life simple.

The thing is that them having that discussion with me today must have been for a reason.
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30 Oct 2013, 5:16 pm

StarCity wrote:
1 of the 4 considered that aspergers is in fact a result of extra-terrestrial manipulation of human DNA in evolutionary enhancement.


:roll: If it is, it was a botched experiment, 'cause I do not feel like any form of superhuman. If the Annunaki gifted me with these handicaps, I've got a bone to pick with them when they come back. :twisted:

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I then said that I do not believe that such being are extra-terrestrial but inter-dimensional Nephilim.

The whole thing got kinda weird & took me back to the interest I used to have regarding the Giza Pyramids, Elohim, Genesis, and loads more.
I can feel myself being drawn back to that obsession, and I don't think it is good.
It certainly "fried" my mind at the time & I'd rather keep life simple.

The thing is that them having that discussion with me today must have been for a reason.


To paraphrase some of Kevin Smith's remarks from the script of DOGMA, I'm not 100% certain that I believe anything in particular, but I am open to and enjoy hearing all sorts of ideas. There are a great many strange things on our planet that do not jibe with the accepted notions of academia and it does not serve the interests of knowledge to dismiss them simply because they don't fit the popular paradigm. If anything, those nagging details are worthy of more scrutiny because they force us to widen our theories, or replace them.

I actually prefer to live in a world of 'What-Ifs' - it's much more intellectually stimulating than the smug stagnation of believing one already knows everything.



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30 Oct 2013, 5:41 pm

Just to throw my hat in the ring:

I don't think that any of that is extra-anything.

I think that the more likely explanation is that we are not the first sentient species to evolve on this planet, and that the old ones are still around, just hiding out deep in the oceans to allow us to find our own path as they found theirs.

Just my 2cents. :wink:



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30 Oct 2013, 6:11 pm

Just because we might want to believe something it is a long way from having a good reason to believe that thing. People can be extremely bad at telling the difference between the two. I used to fall prey to this type of magical thinking from time to time but now i try to ask myself is there strong evidence and reason for the idea or is it simply appealing for non-logical reasons.


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30 Oct 2013, 6:19 pm

Ever wonder why none of these type theories is ever proven?

Its because there is no evidence.

Which is often explained by saying there is a cover-up conspiracy.

For which there is no evidence either.

Kinda like a perpetual B.S. machine.



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30 Oct 2013, 8:13 pm

BS machines are fun.
It's like fan fiction where everybody writes the story and writes it their way.
I want to say they're harmless but the crusades, jihad, and the inquisitions kinda refute me.

Also depending on Space Aliens, Ancient Terrestrials, or Divine Intervention is to excellent of a way to avoid the responsibility we humans have of fixing our own problems.
We exist (more or less) so we can work on resolving our issues and we will be (and are) often successful.
But if we don't work on our own issues, and Space Aliens, Ancient Terrestrials, and/or God do not exist or are disinterested in us, then we are really f**k*d.

We should be working to fix our issues regardless of any SuperPowerHeros that have been promised us by people asking for money.
There's also the probability that whatever SuperDads that come to save the day may be a bit ticked off that we didn't even clean our own room first.


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30 Oct 2013, 9:43 pm

Everyone knows we are the results of the Atlanteans cross breeding dolphins with humans.



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30 Oct 2013, 10:46 pm

Just to be clear, I believe that even if there is an older sentient species living here that they probably aren't going to fix any of our problems for us.
Not that they're disinterested, exactly, but given the lengths they've gone to hide themselves, if they exist at all, it seems likely that they're content for us to sink or swim on our own, and that if they ever did take an interest in meddling with us and our affairs that that time is long past and we're on our own now.
I don't think external force is coming to humanity's aid any time soon.

All I was saying is that if there is something weird going on here, it's more likely that it's terrestrial in origin than any other explanation since interstellar/interdimensional travel are only theoretical at this point, but we know for a fact that this planet's been around for billions of years and modern humans have only existed for maybe the last 200k-1m years, and have only been keeping written records for less than 5k years, so it's possible that another sentient species evolved before us and attained an extremely high level of technology.

I just find it the most likely of the various implausibe scenarios, that's all.



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31 Oct 2013, 2:30 am

Bodyles wrote:
Just to be clear, I believe that even if there is an older sentient species living here that they probably aren't going to fix any of our problems for us.
Not that they're disinterested, exactly, but given the lengths they've gone to hide themselves, if they exist at all, it seems likely that they're content for us to sink or swim on our own, and that if they ever did take an interest in meddling with us and our affairs that that time is long past and we're on our own now.
I don't think external force is coming to humanity's aid any time soon.

All I was saying is that if there is something weird going on here, it's more likely that it's terrestrial in origin than any other explanation since interstellar/interdimensional travel are only theoretical at this point, but we know for a fact that this planet's been around for billions of years and modern humans have only existed for maybe the last 200k-1m years, and have only been keeping written records for less than 5k years, so it's possible that another sentient species evolved before us and attained an extremely high level of technology.

I just find it the most likely of the various implausibe scenarios, that's all.

They're called Silurians and they want their planet back.


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31 Oct 2013, 2:33 am

pensieve wrote:
Bodyles wrote:
Just to be clear, I believe that even if there is an older sentient species living here that they probably aren't going to fix any of our problems for us.
Not that they're disinterested, exactly, but given the lengths they've gone to hide themselves, if they exist at all, it seems likely that they're content for us to sink or swim on our own, and that if they ever did take an interest in meddling with us and our affairs that that time is long past and we're on our own now.
I don't think external force is coming to humanity's aid any time soon.

All I was saying is that if there is something weird going on here, it's more likely that it's terrestrial in origin than any other explanation since interstellar/interdimensional travel are only theoretical at this point, but we know for a fact that this planet's been around for billions of years and modern humans have only existed for maybe the last 200k-1m years, and have only been keeping written records for less than 5k years, so it's possible that another sentient species evolved before us and attained an extremely high level of technology.

I just find it the most likely of the various implausibe scenarios, that's all.

They're called Silurians and they want their planet back.


If you say so. :wink: :P



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31 Oct 2013, 7:48 am

140lb makes a good point, that such things are not all bad in certain contexts.

Just talking about and spectulating on what might be as a mental game or exercise is harmless. Just please do not be naive or gullible and believe anything before actual evidence is provided and verified by the public scientific community.



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31 Oct 2013, 7:55 am

P.S. That said, I can confirm the government is working on a ray gun that blows bubbles with dramatically increased durations and ability to survive wider temperature ranges. However, we are still at least 5 years from a servicable weaponized version.



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31 Oct 2013, 8:53 am

Conspiracy theories can be fun. And the world is full of fuel for them.

The thing that is unhealthy is to believe them.

The historical record is full of real conspiracies and it's good to take a reality check when you get into this stuff by looking at the exposed ones.

Cointelpro. The Phoenix program. Iran-contra.

Yes, children, the secret services of the free world really did suborn a lot of medical professionals in psychiatry to engage in mind control experiments...

But the thing is, we do know about all that crap. And we know about the American spooks involved in extraordinary renditions in Italy blowing their cover because they didn't want to miss the frequent flier miles... The hand of the all-seeing eye turns out to be on the body of agent Dumb and agent Dumber.

I find these topics very entertaining but I recommend regular doses of Richard Feynman, Carl Sagan and Neil deGrasse Tyson as a prophylactic against these viral memes.

Repeated doses of Sagan's "The Demon Haunted World" should he effective against most forms of conspiracy theory induced paranoia and the associated deficits in cognitive functioning. Hold fast to objective reality and the scientific method, they are your only reliable instrument for separating the wheat from the chaff in your inner sea of memes.

If you have all this protection, Google DARPA and ultrasonic mind control! It's good stuff but you'll wonder why the news seems to be that they are making a breakthrough in 2010 and nothing much since... Did the thing not work out, or.... ? :D

It's like ghost stories: you don't need to believe, but it's fun to pretend and say "what if?"



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31 Oct 2013, 8:55 am

Adamantium wrote:

Repeated doses of Sagan's "The Demon Haunted World" should he effective against most forms of conspiracy theory induced paranoia and the associated deficits in cognitive functioning. Hold fast to objective reality and the scientific method, they are your only reliable instrument for separating the wheat from the chaff in your inner sea of memes.


Excellent book.



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31 Oct 2013, 9:34 am

andrewlavigne wrote:
Adamantium wrote:

Repeated doses of Sagan's "The Demon Haunted World" should he effective against most forms of conspiracy theory induced paranoia and the associated deficits in cognitive functioning. Hold fast to objective reality and the scientific method, they are your only reliable instrument for separating the wheat from the chaff in your inner sea of memes.


Excellent book.
:D

One more thing about the OP:
Von Daniken?

Really?

The man is so relentlessly full of undiluted, unmitigated, pure, grade-A bulls**t -- he's breathtaking!

You cannot, cannot, cannot give a photon's mass of credulity to anything this man said or wrote. If he says the sky is blue, you'll find he's speaking during a particularly vibrant and polychromatic sunset.

If you and your buddies are following a train of thought that is based to any extent on the possibility that something he said might have a germ of truth, you train of thought is already derailed and lying in smoking ruins. You'll have to go all the way back to the station and get on another train if you want to get anywhere--unless the place you want to get is a script for something like "Stargate."

But even then, you'd be better off reading CJ Cherryh's Morgaine Cycle (Gate of Iverel, Well of Shiuan, Fires of Azeroth) you'll not only have a great read, but discover the wellspring from which both Stargate and Warcraft flowed. Altogether more rewarding than old Erich V.D.



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31 Oct 2013, 10:23 am

Adamantium wrote:


...Cointelpro. The Phoenix program. Iran-contra.



Some other Real World operations: MKUltra (CIA), Tiger Force (Vietnam)

Reminds me of the saying 'The truth is stranger then fiction'.

P.S. Although so far discounted as purposely induced, the 1951 Pont-Saint-Esprit mass poisoning is one event that still gives me doubts.