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redrobin62
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28 Oct 2013, 4:24 am

Can there ever be someone who is on the spectrum that is so fed up of dealing with the NT world that they go rogue? The only thing on their mind is the annihilation and destruction of the normal world.

They tried their best to conform with the rules of normalcy, but our unforgiving society chastised them, berated them, put them down, and generally didn't care whether they lived or died.

Now they belong to aspie's dark side. The Darth Vader of Autism, if you will. Could such a person ever exist?



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28 Oct 2013, 5:00 am

Hans Asperger identified a subgroup he dubbed, "autistic malice", small minority of children who acted malicously, sometimes enjoying doing so.
Although, you get malicous people in all group types.


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28 Oct 2013, 5:02 am

redrobin62 wrote:
Can there ever be someone who is on the spectrum that is so fed up of dealing with the NT world that they go rogue? The only thing on their mind is the annihilation and destruction of the normal world.

They tried their best to conform with the rules of normalcy, but our unforgiving society chastised them, berated them, put them down, and generally didn't care whether they lived or died.

Now they belong to aspie's dark side. The Darth Vader of Autism, if you will. Could such a person ever exist?


I once was traumatized (now 3 years ago) and I felt revange for a long time and sometimes still feel it (but it's getting better), so I can relate to that description to some degree.


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28 Oct 2013, 5:28 am

It seems very likely that such people have existed in the past and do now.

I have felt tempted myself at times, but it would be against my code of ethics. The thought of victimising innocent people (or non-human entities) is extremely unpleasant, and victimising my past tormentors would be stooping to their level.

I sublime these urges into violent video games, angry music, and a few other harmless pursuits.



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28 Oct 2013, 5:53 am

AshTrees wrote:
Hans Asperger identified a subgroup he dubbed, "autistic malice", small minority of children who acted malicously, sometimes enjoying doing so.
Although, you get malicous people in all group types.


Sorry, I just saw your posting now.
There is a study about it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22492041

"Distinct cortical correlates of autistic versus antisocial traits in a longitudinal sample of typically developing youth.

[...] Using assessments of both subclinical autistic and subclinical antisocial traits within a large longitudinal sample of typically developing youth, we demonstrate dissociable neuroanatomic correlations that parallel those found in the frank clinical disorders of autism (e.g., superior temporal cortex) and antisociality (e.g., anterior prefrontal cortex). Moreover, these correlations appear to be established in early childhood and remain fixed into early adulthood. These results support the dimensional view of psychopathology and provide neural signatures that can serve as informative endophenotypes for future genetic studies."

But like you've pointed out, this overlapp is not very high.
But it's a lot higher especially in ADHD though.

... also Michael Fitzgerald writes about this overlapp in his book:
Autism and Creativity: Is There a Link between Autism in Men and Exceptional Ability?

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28 Oct 2013, 6:00 am

Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pe ... r_syndrome.

Quite a few Rogue's there.



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28 Oct 2013, 7:18 am

A rogue Aspie? That sounds like the beginning of an epic novel story to me.



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28 Oct 2013, 8:21 am

redrobin62 wrote:
Could such a person ever exist?

Why not? (rhetorical question).
Almost everyone is able to become a criminal (or, at least, a misanthrope). There are different types of evil.



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28 Oct 2013, 10:43 am

It can definitely happen. I base this answer on the fact that when I first visited wrongplanet.net, I saw a post from somebody (I don't know from whom, and I'm not going to go looking for it either...) Basically it said all NTs deserve to die (and on and on like that.)



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28 Oct 2013, 10:52 am

redrobin62 wrote:
Can there ever be someone who is on the spectrum that is so fed up of dealing with the NT world that they go rogue? The only thing on their mind is the annihilation and destruction of the normal world.

They tried their best to conform with the rules of normalcy, but our unforgiving society chastised them, berated them, put them down, and generally didn't care whether they lived or died.

Now they belong to aspie's dark side. The Darth Vader of Autism, if you will. Could such a person ever exist?


humorous way too put it but i am basically this aspie darth vader u speak of i think LBS.... I have lived a really hard life and i feel as if i have turned cold... I love elders and children tho but NT middle aged people i truly have become to despise almost and i have my reasons, but i dont disrespect or would never wish harm upon them i just look at them in a distasteful irritated way i guess...



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28 Oct 2013, 10:58 am

join the dark side it is your destiny


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28 Oct 2013, 10:59 am

I am sure it's possible. It can happen to anyone though. Look at school shooters for example.

Also my ex boyfriend told me on the phone one time he is so sick of people judging him and all one day he will hack into the computer system and blow up the world. We would all be dead so we would never find out. For some reason that made me feel uncomfortable to hear that even though I didn't take it seriously. My mom told me it was out of line for him to say it so darn right it made me uncomfortable, it just shows who he really is and good thing I dumped him. He may have had rogue thoughts and fantasies due to is frustration but he had no intention of fixing anything or working on anything and he blamed it on other people. He was too stuck on being "who he is" so he suffered consequences from it and all it did was it got him angrier and angrier and more frustrated. Even his relatives didn't want him around and I started to understand why after being with him for three months. He wasn't aspie of course but he still had problems. One of his relatives allowed her four year old to keep kicking him in his boots at his parents wedding anniversary for something he did months back to the child and I thought that was wrong of the mother because what is she teaching her child? Sad how some parents use their kids for revenge to get back at someone.


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28 Oct 2013, 11:03 am

AshTrees wrote:
Hans Asperger identified a subgroup he dubbed, "autistic malice", small minority of children who acted malicously, sometimes enjoying doing so.
Although, you get malicous people in all group types.


Yeah... I'm in this group.... usually. I intentionally start arguments on the internet, make fun of people on Facebook, etc. The interesting part is that I avoid doing it irl because there are consequences for malice unlike on the internet. And yes, I enjoy it immensely.


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28 Oct 2013, 11:47 am

r84shi37 wrote:
AshTrees wrote:
Hans Asperger identified a subgroup he dubbed, "autistic malice", small minority of children who acted malicously, sometimes enjoying doing so.
Although, you get malicous people in all group types.


Yeah... I'm in this group.... usually. I intentionally start arguments on the internet, make fun of people on Facebook, etc. The interesting part is that I avoid doing it irl because there are consequences for malice unlike on the internet. And yes, I enjoy it immensely.



Sounds more like typical teen behavior. Lot of them love to troll because they don't take the internet seriously. But some adults do it too or the same reason as you.


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28 Oct 2013, 12:08 pm

Codyrules37 wrote:
join the dark side it is your destiny


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Just don't commit any genocides or purges along the way.



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28 Oct 2013, 12:16 pm

I think every human being has there darkside. It's just part of human nature. but I will say speaking from being an aspie. Since I have very few friend in this world. I do keep my enemies very close. Enemies that have hurt me in the past. years later. I still fantasize about how I can get back at them.