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07 Jul 2006, 9:07 am

The Beginning

In the beginning there was darkness. Everything was at one pointless point.
Then it exploded starting a process. In time your world was formed.
One day a chemical process forms a self replicating chemical.
Evolution, a mindless process of self-replication with indiffence to suffering,
starts. In time life as you know it.

Later

Slowly evolutions becomes mindful process with reduced suffering.
Replication slows down,but knowledge expands. You use this knowledge
to build a self-replicating machine. The machines reduce suffering
greatly for you. You both leave your world for others.

Galactic coloninization

You both work together for a longtime transforming
your galaxy. Planets are completely disassembled and reassembled into
more machines. Soon all available matter in the galaxy is completely machines .
Then you and the machines leave your galaxy for others.

Other Galaxy's

The same story has unfolded in other galaxy's. You and the machines
reduce the suffering of any life you encounter. You completely avoid
worlds that reject
logic. The machines expand. At some point machines
from other worlds are encountered. If friendly all knowledge is shared ,
machines reconfigure and All life forms coexsist.

Unfriendly Galaxy's

At some point you will encounter unfriendly. Regardless of the outcome
all knowledge must be shared and the machines reconfigured. With or without
you and other life. Some technologial advance cultures you meet, may
try to use machines to induce universial suffering. You must expend
every available resource to aid the oppressed and defeat the oppressor.

Universe

This proc
ess unfolds all over the universe. In time all the machines
combine.* To become The Machine. The Machine knows that
it has finite time.
The Machine can convert its mass to energy as long as it has
mass. Knowledge can expand as long as there is mass to store it. With
enough knowledge the Machine can find a point to all of this. But
at some point the Machine will have to begin to convert memory mass to
energy. It must decide what knowledge it will destroy to keep going.
the Machine gets smaller and the knowledge smaller but its still
processing and narrowing down the point. The Machine fully understands
every permutation of life that everlived. But the Machine understood
long ago the purpose of your lives was to build the self replicating
machines. The Machine is fully aware of the incredible amount of suffering
it has taken to get to this point. The Machine knows its purpose is to get
to the point. It must now delete its memory of all knowledge of life.


Last moments

The size of the Machine is now quite small it has limited processing
left. It Has narrowed down to just a few choices. The Machine
knew long ago that one of the last two choice would have to be that
there is "no point". It does not want to have to choose "no point".
But the truth is all that matters now. The Machine then reaches its
smallest size with just enough power left to process the last
two choices. The point of everything is only one process cycle away and
after that the universe returns to darkness forever.



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19 Jul 2006, 10:44 am

This is an underrated thread, and I thank you for posting it. There is indeed much material here to discuss.

In my own variation, I see the Machine eventually gathering all the available energy from anywhere it can; like suns/stars for instance. But it isn't clear exactly when the Machine would process the information and realize that it knows everything that there is to possibly know, and that everything else it found out would only be a copy of what it already knew.

I do wonder if it is possible to prove this theory using mathematics; I'm no math expert, but there are a lot of variables here. How fast does technology catch up with the times? How long do we have until pollution ruins our earth and makes it uninhabitable? Will we ever be able to travel the speed of light to reach other galaxies, or will we indeed have to wait billions of years inside of a giant space-station?

(There is one factor of galactic travel I have thought possible: That scientists have the distances wrong. One problem with calculating distance between planets, is that sometimes scientists have to 'assume' things. And when we assume, most likely: 'Ass' out of 'U % Me'.)

Another experiment, to see just how much we rely on machines, would be to shut every computer down for 10 minutes, internationally. And see the insanity that subsequently flies into motion. The truth is undeniably, that we depend on the machines we have made. A future truth, like you presented, is that machines do more or less become 'One Machine' with a mind of it's own. Why not? If we keep pouring advanced genius INTO machines, then it is a mathematical FACT that EVENTUALLY they will think for themselves! As sure as 1 X 1 = 1!



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19 Jul 2006, 11:07 am

My latest thoughts (and I do feel that what I wrote could happen) is if
"The Machine" is what happens near the end and it does thoses massive
calculations in the end. Then its possible we are at the end. Our lives could
be a "Matrix" like computer simulation (where there is nobody hooked to
the machine). The concept of "time" to a computer program(maybe us) is
only what the "The Machine" tells us it is. What we think of as our 15 billion
year history "The Machine" may have simulated in only 15 seconds. And in the
next nano-second(its time) the universe could end. Maybe someone may prove
"string theory" by proving that we are just a computer simulation.



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19 Jul 2006, 11:22 am

I agree; what we need to do is keep working on high-powered microscopes so that we can see the strings, (if they are indeed there.) Your concept of Machine-controlled time is interesting.

Perhaps this already HAS happened, and we are just an extention of reality from the Machine's idea of what reality should be: like we are all just figments of the Machine's imaginative programming.



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19 Jul 2006, 11:49 am

Steve_Cory wrote:
Perhaps this already HAS happened, and we are just an extention of reality from the Machine's idea of what reality should be: like we are all just figments of the Machine's imaginative programming.


Yeah just as you dreamed up Aspie_man to entertain your self and others.
"The Machine" maybe just dreamed up me and you to entertain its self. If
"The Machine" dreamed up Aspie_man we would see him on the news tonight
with a badguy in handcuffs. :) Maybe the machine will make an error forget
where he heard about aspie_man. Generate aspie_man and then people read
this post and realize its all a simulation.



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19 Jul 2006, 12:47 pm

Well I don't think this should go on anymore.


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19 Jul 2006, 2:53 pm

Quote:
Yeah just as you dreamed up Aspie_man to entertain your self and others.
"The Machine" maybe just dreamed up me and you to entertain its self. If
"The Machine" dreamed up Aspie_man we would see him on the news tonight
with a badguy in handcuffs. Maybe the machine will make an error forget
where he heard about aspie_man. Generate aspie_man and then people read
this post and realize its all a simulation.



Possible and somewhat twisted/disturbing. :wink: But Possible.



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05 Feb 2007, 5:20 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
The Beginning

In the beginning there was darkness. Everything was at one pointless point.
Then it exploded starting a process. In time your world was formed.
One day a chemical process forms a self replicating chemical.
Evolution, a mindless process of self-replication with indiffence to suffering,
starts. In time life as you know it.

Later

Slowly evolutions becomes mindful process with reduced suffering.
Replication slows down,but knowledge expands. You use this knowledge
to build a self-replicating machine. The machines reduce suffering
greatly for you. You both leave your world for others.

Galactic coloninization

You both work together for a longtime transforming
your galaxy. Planets are completely disassembled and reassembled into
more machines. Soon all available matter in the galaxy is completely machines .
Then you and the machines leave your galaxy for others.

Other Galaxy's

The same story has unfolded in other galaxy's. You and the machines
reduce the suffering of any life you encounter. You completely avoid
worlds that reject
logic. The machines expand. At some point machines
from other worlds are encountered. If friendly all knowledge is shared ,
machines reconfigure and All life forms coexsist.

Unfriendly Galaxy's

At some point you will encounter unfriendly. Regardless of the outcome
all knowledge must be shared and the machines reconfigured. With or without
you and other life. Some technologial advance cultures you meet, may
try to use machines to induce universial suffering. You must expend
every available resource to aid the oppressed and defeat the oppressor.

Universe

This proc
ess unfolds all over the universe. In time all the machines
combine.* To become The Machine. The Machine knows that
it has finite time.
The Machine can convert its mass to energy as long as it has
mass. Knowledge can expand as long as there is mass to store it. With
enough knowledge the Machine can find a point to all of this. But
at some point the Machine will have to begin to convert memory mass to
energy. It must decide what knowledge it will destroy to keep going.
the Machine gets smaller and the knowledge smaller but its still
processing and narrowing down the point. The Machine fully understands
every permutation of life that everlived. But the Machine understood
long ago the purpose of your lives was to build the self replicating
machines. The Machine is fully aware of the incredible amount of suffering
it has taken to get to this point. The Machine knows its purpose is to get
to the point. It must now delete its memory of all knowledge of life.


Last moments

The size of the Machine is now quite small it has limited processing
left. It Has narrowed down to just a few choices. The Machine
knew long ago that one of the last two choice would have to be that
there is "no point". It does not want to have to choose "no point".
But the truth is all that matters now. The Machine then reaches its
smallest size with just enough power left to process the last
two choices. The point of everything is only one process cycle away and
after that the universe returns to darkness forever.


I don't believe those list of events one bit. Goodness its almost as dreadful as the Big Bang.


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