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12 Dec 2014, 1:26 am

In therapy today, I learned about something called "social cues". It's very interesting, as I've never had any thoughts of such a thing or naturally felt like I had to do these kind of things. For example: apparently when neurotypicals meet one another, they do things like test eachother like maybe make a joke about something and see how they reciprocate, to see if they open up about or something. Or the way they show empathy towards one another is, like "well, this person just opened up to me about something now I should say something to make them feel comfortable to know I've felt somewhere similar", yet for me I do that but I also force myself to feel what they've felt and it's very overwhelming.
In my head, I thought everyone's reality was being vulnerable 24/7, telling everyone everything, being open and honest about every emotion and feeling it all but it's not actually like that. People have walls and are closed off, they actually get overwhelmed when someone is being too open or vulnerable and they actually might see it as a form of disrespect cause you aren't respecting their comfort zone. This makes sense why I lose so many friends or so many people cut me off when I'm so open and honest about everything about me...

I guess it is important to keep some stuff for myself cause when you are always vulnerable, it can be tough - you can feel like a fool.



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12 Dec 2014, 12:34 pm

Yeah, there's a lot to learn on the subject. For some people, I think it's like discovering a whole new language.



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12 Dec 2014, 1:54 pm

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Yeah, there's a lot to learn on the subject. For some people, I think it's like discovering a whole new language.


It is a whole other language - one which I do not understand. :(


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12 Dec 2014, 1:55 pm

It's brutal.



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12 Dec 2014, 2:34 pm

I try to play the game of social cues. However, it usually comes off as quite creepy as I do not understand why people do all these bloody test and just walk away in the middle of conversations.



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12 Dec 2014, 2:42 pm

campboy92 wrote:
I guess it is important to keep some stuff for myself cause when you are always vulnerable, it can be tough - you can feel like a fool.


It's taken me a long time to learn how to selectively keep things to myself. I used to just do one extreme or the other, either I would tell a person everything about myself, or I would tell them nothing. I still have a really hard time doing anything in between.

It's really a great thing to be able to be that vulnerable though, because when you find someone who really respects that, you can bond very deeply with them. A lot of people don't know how to do that.



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12 Dec 2014, 3:24 pm

Exactly!! !'



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12 Dec 2014, 3:48 pm

Yeah I can sense it but it doesn't do me any good. I'm someone who naturally thinks of things in a personal, intimate way. This whole "say a million words without letting down your wall" thing is incomprehensible to me. How can you care about anything truly and not be vulnerable because of it?



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12 Dec 2014, 3:57 pm

It is also important to be aware that con artists and manipulators will act like they are so eager to hear everything about you but in reality, they are recording information to use against you. I think TIME is the answer; you have to give yourself time to get to know someone where you gradually confide in them and share. I say, don't be too quick to share. Or share things that are not so emotionally loaded; share interests, opinions about a book or movie, and experiences that are more neutral (don't tell them all about your childhood trauma).

And look for red flags. If someone is too quick to flatter you, that is a red flag of a manipulator. If they say, "You are so kind. You really love animals don't you?" that may or may not be a red flag. But when they start hinting that they need you to give them money to help an animal, beware. Manipulation occurs in steps, first the flattery and then the question (they ask you for something, using what they know about you to pressure you into giving them what they want). Be aware of the Flattery and then the request for help con.



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12 Dec 2014, 4:32 pm

Being too friendly is also a red flag because that is a tactic manipulators use to make you comfortable and to earn your trust. They will also say things like "I like moms with small children" or say "I like women who have respect for themselves" or "I like moms who are calm with their kids and don't yell at them." Also someone not taking no for an answer is a big red flag. My mom told me it's okay to get rude with them and insult them and you won't hurt their feelings. I was also told you make a scene and they will flee.


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12 Dec 2014, 8:15 pm

Thank you



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12 Dec 2014, 8:28 pm

campboy92 wrote:
In therapy today, I learned about something called "social cues". It's very interesting, as I've never had any thoughts of such a thing or naturally felt like I had to do these kind of things. For example: apparently when neurotypicals meet one another, they do things like test eachother like maybe make a joke about something and see how they reciprocate, to see if they open up about or something. Or the way they show empathy towards one another is, like "well, this person just opened up to me about something now I should say something to make them feel comfortable to know I've felt somewhere similar", yet for me I do that but I also force myself to feel what they've felt and it's very overwhelming.
In my head, I thought everyone's reality was being vulnerable 24/7, telling everyone everything, being open and honest about every emotion and feeling it all but it's not actually like that. People have walls and are closed off, they actually get overwhelmed when someone is being too open or vulnerable and they actually might see it as a form of disrespect cause you aren't respecting their comfort zone. This makes sense why I lose so many friends or so many people cut me off when I'm so open and honest about everything about me...

I guess it is important to keep some stuff for myself cause when you are always vulnerable, it can be tough - you can feel like a fool.


Social cues... I can see them, but I read them incorrectly, and respond incorrectly to often. I've been told TMI way to often in the middle of saying something.


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12 Dec 2014, 8:32 pm

I do like moms who are calm with their kids. I have no ulterior motive to "get to know" these moms. I just respect mothers who are calm with their kids.



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14 Dec 2014, 1:40 am

BlueYellowBrownGreen wrote:
It is also important to be aware that con artists and manipulators will act like they are so eager to hear everything about you but in reality, they are recording information to use against you. I think TIME is the answer; you have to give yourself time to get to know someone where you gradually confide in them and share. I say, don't be too quick to share. Or share things that are not so emotionally loaded; share interests, opinions about a book or movie, and experiences that are more neutral (don't tell them all about your childhood trauma).

And look for red flags. If someone is too quick to flatter you, that is a red flag of a manipulator. If they say, "You are so kind. You really love animals don't you?" that may or may not be a red flag. But when they start hinting that they need you to give them money to help an animal, beware. Manipulation occurs in steps, first the flattery and then the question (they ask you for something, using what they know about you to pressure you into giving them what they want). Be aware of the Flattery and then the request for help con.


This happened tonight



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14 Dec 2014, 10:44 pm

campboy92 wrote:
In therapy today, I learned about something called "social cues". It's very interesting, as I've never had any thoughts of such a thing or naturally felt like I had to do these kind of things. For example: apparently when neurotypicals meet one another, they do things like test each other like maybe make a joke about something and see how they reciprocate, to see if they open up about or something. Or the way they show empathy towards one another is, like "well, this person just opened up to me about something now I should say something to make them feel comfortable to know I've felt somewhere similar", yet for me I do that but I also force myself to feel what they've felt and it's very overwhelming.
In my head, I thought everyone's reality was being vulnerable 24/7, telling everyone everything, being open and honest about every emotion and feeling it all but it's not actually like that. People have walls and are closed off, they actually get overwhelmed when someone is being too open or vulnerable and they actually might see it as a form of disrespect cause you aren't respecting their comfort zone.

Thanks for sharing this.

I wonder:
1. Is this something neurotypicals do all of the time? Is it part of every interaction with neurotypicals?
2. Is this done consciously or subconsciously?
3. Is it obvious to neurotypicals, when people don’t “play along”, by providing the expected response?
4. What other social cues exist, other than “test[ing] each other...and see how they reciprocate” or “show[ing] empathy”?

This also reminded me, it’s probably a good time for me to re-read, “A Field Guide to Earthlings”.



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15 Dec 2014, 12:17 am

Interesting. Surely you must have thought that most other people had much more boring emotional lives than yours, if you were sharing everything, and assumed that they were too?