The science on vaccinations.

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I know it is an old subject,but ,to me,with no new answers. Should i continue scheduled vaccinations for my 5 years old ASD daughter,as well as her not ASD brother ? . Or stop the damned thing altogether ?. Bearing in mind that diseases incurred by not vaccinating ,is not serious enough to go on with vaccines. ( may be with the exception of Polio ) .Or am i wrong ? Thanx.

Definitely vaccinate. There have been a great many reputable studies showing no autism link, and precisely zero studies showing link, despite what the Daily Mail will tell you. Measles although not usually serious can have serious or fatal complications and used to kill around 50 kids a year in the UK.

Also if you don't vaccinate you are putting at risk younger friends or siblings. A baby in my hometown was recently permanently brain damaged after coming into contact with an unvaccinated kid.

Even seemingly minor childhood diseases are sometimes serious and can lead to death or other quite serious consequences.

You are wrong. Vaccinations are extremely important and save thousands, if not millions, of lives. They have practically zero risk, the biggest risk is in being allergic to the vaccine but if you are concerned over that they can do a quick allergy test beforehand. All of the "vaccines cause autism" stuff has no basis in reality and is just a media hype, no medical studies have ever shown a link between the two (and there have been a lot of studies). But medical studies HAVE shown a link between not getting vaccinated and dying due to terrible illnesses.

Yes, get the vaccinations!

The single most salient consequence of not vaccinating is getting judged, harassed, and accused of ignorance and of being irresponsible, and even blamed for the continuance of all of the diseases that vaccines exist for. I got treated that way for merely suggesting that I would look into it before making up my mind, before I had any opinion of it at all. This was on the day I gave birth to my first child!
If you cannot handle that, then put your head down and continue to follow the herd.

I do believe vaccines have improved over time. Health these days is very complicated and there is not much point in demonizing vaccines if you smoke around your kids, and feed them the garbage that most of us eat these days. Vaccines are just one out of many, many sources of artificial chemicals that in my opinion are contributing to cancers, allergies, obesity etc. You are probably getting less damage from vaccines than almost any other source of poison, because the amount you get over a lifetime is relatively small. If your kids immune systems are compromised and you don't put enough effort into keeping them healthy - true for the VAST majority, then maybe vaccinating is best. If their immune systems are compromised, then they may at least get some protection from some diseases.

I am autistic, and have been vaccinated. My son is autistic and has NEVER been vaccinated. I have to conclude that if vaccines play a part in autism, it is minor. I am no fan of vaccines, and both of my kids are bright, healthy, and well behaved, relative to other kids. They have never suffered from the childhood diseases, and they have definitely been exposed to several of them (but not polio - that is a much more complicated conversation).

My biggest problem with vaccines is that it is such a holy cow these days. It angers me that people say extremely ignorant things such as that unvaccinated children can make vaccinated children sick - think about it, and you should see why that does not even make sense. It is a PRODUCT, made in a FACTORY, that people sell for profit. You should at least be able to talk about it without all of the hysteria that I see. You CAN have faulty batches, and people CAN get sick from them in an undesirable way.

You should not be asking random strangers about what is best for your child (including me). You should obtain the product insert, look up the chemicals listed there, find out the risks, find out your family history, and if you can, find out how well tested they are, and the effectiveness of them. There is risk either way, and if things don't go well, then you will at least know that you put in a REAL effort to make an informed decision.

An un-vaccinated child can make a young child who has not yet been vaccinated sick. This is a major issue, which sometimes has tragic consequences, as I mention above.

The science is conclusive: vaccines do not cause autism.

A big study in Denmark showed that children who were vaccinated were no more likely to have autism than unvaccinated children: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134

The best reviews of scientific literature are done by the Cochrane Collaboration. Here is their assessment of the MMR vaccine: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22336803

One thing that does cause autism is rubella, which is a disease that is far less common now that it is vaccinated against. You are putting your grandchildren at increased risk of autism by not vaccinating your daughter against rubella.

Conclusive. I reccomend you read Ben Goldacre's Bad Science book for more on this. It's eye opening.

You should also be aware that big pharma makes no money from vaccines, in fact quite to opposite. They are extremely cheap, very well tested, extremely safe and they prevent people from becoming sick and needing more expensive treatment.

My concern is mainly two-fold.

1. What's in the vaccine (additives that have no business going into an infant's or child's body).

2. How many in what time span and at what age they are given. I got my vaccinations over a period of years, and nowhere near the number they are giving today.

The issue with toxicity of any compound in vaccinations isn't just that it's there, but it's how much it puts into the target body. Toxicity isn't some simple number. It varies based on age, development, weight, etc. What won't harm a 4-year-old might do serious harm to an infant. When I was growing up, there were no pediatricians that would endorse the current schedule for vaccinations that we do today, and the current schedule is created by policymakers, not doctors.

Remember that a wide variety of drugs that have been pulled by the FDA because they HURT and KILL patients were approved by that same FDA because of how the process works for getting approval to put something on the market (involves cherry-picked studies and lots of "money changing hands"). That the FDA says something is "safe" is by no means an assurance that it actually is safe.

A vaccinated child can also make an unvaccinated child sick. ANY child can become sick from any number of sources. No matter how many vaccines they produce (keeping in mind, they are developing hundreds of them) children will always get sick from one thing or another. The best way to protect them is to make their immune systems as healthy as possible, to maintain reasonable standards of sanitation, and to avoid, as far as practical, toxic chemicals, and give them healthy, active lifestyle.

With superbugs becoming a serious problem, and new antibiotics harder to create, exploding numbers of cases of cancer, allergies, asthma, obesity, autism,etc etc etc, I'm sure you know everything going wrong in the health universe these days, I hardly think our species has it all figured out just yet. Despite the miraculous advances, germs are still winning. They can evolve circles around us.
Vaccines are a good idea, but they are far from good enough to be a solution yet. The preservatives, the adjuvants, the foreign viral contaminants, all carry risks. So does the target virus. It's a fact of life. We are biological organisms living in a world that's swimming with microbes. 90% of the cells in your body are microbes. If you want to live, you need to at least be healthy enough to maintain a stalemate with them. If you get weak, they win. Simple.

Actually vaccinations strongens your immune system so your "If you get weak they win!" stuff, is actually a cause TO vaccinate.

And noone in this thread was talking about vaccinating against everything that surrounds us, but actually the typical vaccinations are against major diseases as polio, diphterie and tetanus, which people that lived in times, where vaccinations against those did not exist, definitly dont miss in any way. Ask older people beyond age 60-65, and almost everyone of them will be able to tell you of an close relative or friend, that had to endure one of this illnesses and suffered life long consequences from it. The reason why this sh***y diseased are not that spreaded anymore, is because of the broad vaccination of folks.

To harden your immune system, there are tons of average sh***y disease left, you dont have to do that, with the ones, that cause lifelong consequences.

Very true. Vaccines are not 100% effective, which is the reason that a larger % of the population being vaccinated reduces the risks of infection dramatically.



Vaccinations improve a child's overall immunities. To ensure the safety of vaccines, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and other Federal agencies routinely monitor and conduct research to examine any new evidence that would suggest possible problems with the safety of vaccines.



Superbugs have very little to do with vaccinations; they have evrything to do with improper usage of antibiotics. The health problems you list have not been found to be linked to vaccines in the slightest by any reputable scientific studies. The biggest risk associated is with pre-existing allergies.




You do realize that smallpox has been eradicated, and that we were well on our way to eliminating many diseases prior to the vaccine scare beginning, don't you? We could completely eliminate many diseases within a few generations for the good of all future humanity with an excellent (and accepted) vaccination program.



Foreign viral contaminants are completely eliminated in the manufacturing process. Adjuvants and preservatives added to vaccines are aluminum (which anything you cook in an aluminum pot/pan contains hundreds of times more aluminum), antibiotics (to prevent bacterial contamination during manufacturing, storage, and shipment), and MSG (to prevent viability of the vaccine from being compromised due to temperature, light, humidity, and/or acidity).
Trace amounts of formaldehyde are used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines. It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most (of the already miniscule amount) formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.

The preservatives in baby food and formula are more than in vaccines by several orders of magnitude. Using preservatives as an excuse to not vaccinating your children is absurd.

As I mentioned above, large amounts of money do not change hands for vaccines. They are cheap because they are un-patentable. Big Pharma would probably prefer we didn't have vaccines.

Also the vaccine schedule is worked out by doctors not policy makers based on extensive clinically controlled trials carried out in a number of countries over the course of many years.

They frequently (but not always) strengthen your immune system against the target virus, which is the idea. They do not strengthen your immune system against anything else, and some of the additives can harm your immune system. Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen which destroys DNA. I don't accept that ANY amount of that should be injected directly into an infants body.
The whole thing I said before about the microbes was about the fact that they have much more in their arsenal than we do. New bugs will keep coming up, and old ones will keep evolving, so we will never be vaccinated enough to really have protection. If I knew that vaccines had no harmful additives or foreign unidentified viruses in them, and I knew they were completely safe, which maybe one day they will be, then I would be grateful to be able to protect against at least some diseases. But they are not.
If they eventually find the exact cause of autism and it is absolutely not in any way associated with vaccines, that would not at all mean that vaccines are safe.
I believe that there is a good chance that auto immune diseases such as allergies, asthma and eczema are a result of vaccines. Adjuvants are included in vaccines and their job is to irritate the immune system in order to provoke a response to the vaccine. Might they not be making the immune system a bit trigger happy in the process? I don't feel it is a coincidence that these autoimmune disorders have been increasing with the increasing rates of vaccinations.

Nazi pro-vaccinators like to proclaim that 'if I ever watched a child suffer and die from one of these preventable diseases I would think twice about my irresponsible views"

No. To this I say two things:
1.Just because it is terrible to watch a child suffer and die, it does not mean that vaccines would have saved it. This comment presupposes that the vaccine would have prevented illness and not harmed the child in any way, and this could not be known. The child's death and suffering may have resulted as much from mismanagement of the disease as from the disease itself. Or from health compromised in other ways.

2. 'If you ever watched a child suffer and die from asthma or severe allergies, then would you think twice about your irresponsible views?"