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02 Jan 2014, 10:43 am

I have completed the first version of The Joy of Casual Sadism, a film about how to bully people.

http://youtu.be/3g8v7SsmqY0

Divided into sections via the explanatory paragraphs that come and go, this film attempts to show how people do what they do to us, and why?

I believe that by demonstrating the sick techniques people can use on other people, and discussing their motives in doing so, people can become aware of what is happening to the point of having a choice of actions in the face of it. Such as just saying they know this is a wind up, or running. Often when I've had these bullying techniques done on me - and believe me I've lived through them all - I froze in front of such people. Also I was often unable to acknowledge I knew what was going on.

There is this whole, 'twee', nice world of anti-bullying stuff out there now online which appears to be out of touch with the hand to hand reality of many peoples lives? Seems to be created by parents and people going on and on about what nice people they were and how horrible others have been to them - and how they did not deserve it. Because they just want to be nice in life. Anyone whose ever watched anything HBO these past few decades, may understand that the real world - and ourselves - does not entirely work like that?

Feedback please? If it feels long at 29 minutes, just use the breaks to chop it up.

Thanks, Paul.



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02 Jan 2014, 12:25 pm

Its a great film. Wish there were subtitles throughout but I got the gist of it. Thanks.



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02 Jan 2014, 1:49 pm

He knows what he is talking about.



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02 Jan 2014, 6:23 pm

It is a simple reality that all animals adhere to a hierarchy of power. You're either the Alpha Dog or you're not. Even if you get rid of "bullying" there is always going to be ways in which one person will establish if he/she is more dominant over another.



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02 Jan 2014, 9:08 pm

Interesting. Will watch in a bit.



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02 Jan 2014, 9:34 pm

I immediately thought. "He´s as good as Al Pacino!" :D
Then I recognized certain behaviors, that have felt really intimidating, and which I have learned to back away from.
Studying bulliers and remain observant when/if one is subjected to their attacks seems a very good advice.
It sounds a little like wearing a bullet/bully proof vest, - but it may take some training.
Thank you.


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02 Jan 2014, 11:41 pm

Nice film. Thank you. I watched it twice.
I recognized a lot of that behavior. Scary stuff.



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04 Jan 2014, 11:03 am

When I was 30 I told my psychologist that people at work were ganging up on me and bullying me in a specific way. He didn't believe me. He said that humans don't do that. He recommended meds against hallucination. In the end, I confronted the bullies and they admitted to the bullying and to the specific way in which they were doing it. When I told my psychologist, he just shrugged. It is the WHY of THIS kind of behavior that puzzles me. Why people bully is simple and clear. Why society, even those supposed to make society healthier, encourage it is what's beyond me and most.


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04 Jan 2014, 11:15 am

Moondust wrote:
When I was 30 I told my psychologist that people at work were ganging up on me and bullying me in a specific way. He didn't believe me. He said that humans don't do that. He recommended meds against hallucination. In the end, I confronted the bullies and they admitted to the bullying and to the specific way in which they were doing it. When I told my psychologist, he just shrugged. It is the WHY of THIS kind of behavior that puzzles me. Why people bully is simple and clear. Why society, even those supposed to make society healthier, encourage it is what's beyond me and most.


It is because humans (people with AS excepted) have pack mentality. This means they are group hunters, and bullying is a way of establishing a tighter, more coherent pack. The rationale is: "If you would rather be bullied than excluded from the group, the group means a whole lot to you." So when people bully others they ascertain each other of how strong the group bonds are.

Your psychologist also has pack mentality, unless he happens to have AS, so he thinks things are the way it should be. We are completely alone in actually believing there is something fundamentally wrong about bullying.



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04 Jan 2014, 12:13 pm

What I don't understand is why would a Psychologist have an interest in making their patient believe they're hallucinating about being bullied.


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11 Jan 2014, 6:28 pm

Moondust wrote:
What I don't understand is why would a Psychologist have an interest in making their patient believe they're hallucinating about being bullied.


Just like any other profession there are competent and incompetent people. Some people when encountering something they are unable to do or understand work on improving themselves rather than blaming others. Sound like you have someone who is incompetent and unable/unwilling to provide any service. Hallucinating about being bullied its ether a cop-out or incompetence, ether way you need to get someone else.

There is the bullying in front of everyone, this is when the group thinks its ok and may actually approve and encourage the bullying. This is group bullying and is very common. The pack mentality will never go away, but it can be changed.
Sometimes bullying is taught from a young age. This this type of thing is not exclusive to blacks albeit the terminology will change with different groups.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_B0QoRIDTI&[/youtube]

This shows how people react to a staged one on one bullying situation

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EisZTB4ZQxY&[/youtube]



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11 Jan 2014, 7:45 pm

When I was in junior high I had an autistic friend.
The bullying on him was quite extreme. I never defended him, I had my own bullying problems but they were not as bad as as his. This stuff went on on a daily basis. I did try on several occasions to tell the vice principle about it and how he was abused at home. But I had no success. Eventually four years later the abuse at home became a police matter. I do not know what happened to him afterwards.
This Video gives you an idea of the scale of the abuse but I never saw a girl participate in the abuse.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbWQpxHy2ps[/youtube]



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12 Jan 2014, 1:37 am

Cannot keep my temper when I see those movies. I GET FURIOUS!!

I should rather refrain from telling what I would do to those people.



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12 Jan 2014, 10:04 am

qawer wrote:
Cannot keep my temper when I see those movies. I GET FURIOUS!!

I should rather refrain from telling what I would do to those people.


I know exactly what you mean. I hate all bullying. Bullying by people with institutional power gets me the most. I get so enraged I can barely think.

My imagination at such moments can be a place of truly horrific revenge.



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12 Jan 2014, 12:40 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvkhWbM71Rs[/youtube]



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12 Jan 2014, 1:46 pm

I've watched the video and I've got to say that it's very well done. :)


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