A Cause of Autism?
Has any doctor or neurological expert considered the idea the autism is a actual genetic mutation causing evolutionary advantages to those with it? With the advent of birth control being a strictly hormonal medicine or spermicide based practice into big pharma making it a biological treatment of drugs that changed the body's ability to produce a egg that could be fertilized. The long term effects of the biological damage caused to the areas of pregnancy (ie the fallopian tubes, the cervix, the actual womb) & if these areas can become slighty alternated by these dangerous drugs. As they've become more popularly prescribed and changed to be more acceptable by more women the autism diagnosises have risen too. Could these biological drugs or even narcotic pain killer abuse cause damage that create a semi-hostile environment that during cellular mytosis or gestation in the womb a gene sequence mutates and what is left is autism & how damaged the area is defines where on the spectrum we end up. I know my mother, drank, smoke, used alcohol & drugs while pregnant including being sexually active with multiple men besides my father into the 3 rd trimester as her lifelong best friend told me about. I have a executive function in the lower 5% of my peers or its so low it may as well not be considered operative but my Weschler Intelligence test was considered very high even for a Aspie and only a year ago found out the left hemisphere of my brain is 28% more active & operative in conscious access more than my peers. What exactly its doing is unknown until I'm dead, but its a neurological reality that matches findings of recent discovery that those with more left hemisphere accessibility are genetically more likely to be intelligent, but I have some extreme symptoms. I was late to speak & when I did I had a speech impediment caused by a bad auditory processing disorder that my mother luckily got me into the early version of modern speech therapy. A positive reinforcement methodology to get you to involve your brains wiring to hear to use a different area to listen with so sounds were no longer stringing in in bunches all together but when American proper English was heard we could tune out other noise to hear the words, same with speech. I was taught to listen to myself as I formed words & instead of thinking of what I'm trying to say I concentrate on how I'm saying it. It took four long years of 3 days a week 2.5 hrs to 3.0 hrs a day. I recently spoke publicly for the 1st time in 39 yrs of life & my speech therapy training kicked in like a old motor and I sounded like I practiced what I was saying and looked at every persons face (not eyes) & was strongly able to finish. I also have the asexual issue, licence plate reading obsession, counting passes by of vehicles, no social rules, no sarcasm understanding use or comprehension, very debilitating meltdowns that caused childhood self harming stimming & outbursts, hyper focus, incessantly seeing how to improve things, bad self care, I live alone not by choice but I don't clean well, I can't cook, I can't go shopping alone or if its too crowded, I'm off topic thanks to my severe ADHD Combined Type so I'll stop here by saying I submitted a thesis on my hypothesis on biological drugs creating a environmentally damaged area during a early phase of pregnancy causing autism mutations to the Head of the Biology Dept of a major University here in Chicago that she requested from me and would like me to be more specific in my theory and send a addendum chapter(s) to my original thesis. Does anyone know if this theory has been presented to the autism experts or the CDC?
My parents were monogamous fundamentalist teetotalers who didn't use pharmaceutical birth control. Their second child was completely neurotypical, except for a touch of dyslexia.
I don't believe in any "Autism Epidemic" caused by anything man made, chemical or otherwise. All I see is more cases being diagnosed, because people are screening for it now, and before 1994 (in the US), no one was looking for AS/HFA at all, so unless you were Low Functioning, nobody cared. Trust me, that didn't mean it wasn't there.
I've personally been living with autism since 1959, but wasn't diagnosed until 2008. My Autism didn't magically appear in 2008, as part of an "epidemic," but it will still be included in the statistics as though it did. I believe High Functioning Autism has been around throughout human history and just been considered "oddness."
In some societies, like Asia, most HFA behaviors wouldn't even be considered particularly odd. In Western Societies, it wouldn't have been all that crippling a hundred years ago. As Western society has become more and more dependent on interpersonal social skills as a means of functioning successfully in the economic marketplace, it's become more and more of a Disabling Handicap.
Yes, as we all know, a child with full blown classic autism has such a pile of advantages.
Inability to handle sensory input, inability to speak, meltdowns...
Oh yeah, such advantages simply MUST be replicated and passed on to the entire human race!
No.
Certain qualities/traits based on a person's neurology may suggest shadows of autism, and yet those characteristics contribute to creativity and other positives. Put a bunch of those things together into one person, tho', and you end up with someone who can't function and needs help.
Not exactly an advantage.
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Your Aspie score: 100 of 200 / Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 101 of 200
You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits
What would these results mean? Been told here I must be a "half pint".
In my case getting vaccinated caused my autistic symptoms. I know that most people wouldn't agree with that, but I was a completely normal baby who smiled and made eye contact before the vaccine. I do believe that some people are born autistic, but I don't think that everyone with autistic symptoms was born with them. I think what differentiates me from people who were born autistic was that some of my symptoms disappeared when I made changes to my diet. I don't think that works for people who were born autistic.
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Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 82 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 124 of 200
You are very likely neurotypical
In your case, I doubt your autism is genetic at all - fetal alcohol spectrum disorder is a known cause of autism in some cases, and should be considered in any case where a mother drank during pregnancy.
Besides, prenatal exposure is too late to cause mutations. Mutations must occur at conception or preimplantation to have a systemic effect. Later mutations affect so few cells that the only effect they can possibly have is if they cause the cells to become cancerous.
Also, there's good evidence to suggest that autism isn't actually rising -it's just being diagnosed more readily. Look at all the people on this forum who were first diagnosed in adulthood because no one knew about autism when they were kids. Even 10 or 15 years ago, it was harder to get an autism diagnosis than it is now. (I know they missed me.) If you look at case reports of childhood psychosis from the 1960s, those kids would be considered autistic now. There were oodles of kids getting childhood psychotic diagnoses, whereas now childhood psychoses are extremely rare.
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Yes, as we all know, a child with full blown classic autism has such a pile of advantages.
Inability to handle sensory input, inability to speak, meltdowns...
Oh yeah, such advantages simply MUST be replicated and passed on to the entire human race!
No.
Certain qualities/traits based on a person's neurology may suggest shadows of autism, and yet those characteristics contribute to creativity and other positives. Put a bunch of those things together into one person, tho', and you end up with someone who can't function and needs help.
Not exactly an advantage.
To be fair I don't think all children with full blown autism are unable to speak.....some are, but they can communicate other ways. Still I don't really see autism as some evoluntionary advantage...I guess people who don't struggle with their autism might see it that way because they don't see the downsides.
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Hmm or is it possible the vaccine just caused symptoms that resemble autism enough to where a diagnoses was more or less fitting? I don't know I have a hard time thinking vaccines cause normal neurology to turn into autistic neurology. But if I recall correctly you mentioned wanting to be cured of 'autism'....so perhaps in your case it is possible if your symptoms truly where brought on by a specific vaccine. Just a thought though....I am no expert.
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We won't go back.
Yes, as we all know, a child with full blown classic autism has such a pile of advantages.
Inability to handle sensory input, inability to speak, meltdowns...
Oh yeah, such advantages simply MUST be replicated and passed on to the entire human race!
No.
Certain qualities/traits based on a person's neurology may suggest shadows of autism, and yet those characteristics contribute to creativity and other positives. Put a bunch of those things together into one person, tho', and you end up with someone who can't function and needs help.
Not exactly an advantage.
To be fair I don't think all children with full blown autism are unable to speak.....some are, but they can communicate other ways. Still I don't really see autism as some evoluntionary advantage...I guess people who don't struggle with their autism might see it that way because they don't see the downsides.
I used the term "full blown" to mean "all the classic symptoms present to the extreme", so it would include inability to speak.
You do understand the point I was making, tho'. Right?
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Your Aspie score: 100 of 200 / Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 101 of 200
You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits
What would these results mean? Been told here I must be a "half pint".
Yes, as we all know, a child with full blown classic autism has such a pile of advantages.
Inability to handle sensory input, inability to speak, meltdowns...
Oh yeah, such advantages simply MUST be replicated and passed on to the entire human race!
No.
Certain qualities/traits based on a person's neurology may suggest shadows of autism, and yet those characteristics contribute to creativity and other positives. Put a bunch of those things together into one person, tho', and you end up with someone who can't function and needs help.
Not exactly an advantage.
To be fair I don't think all children with full blown autism are unable to speak.....some are, but they can communicate other ways. Still I don't really see autism as some evoluntionary advantage...I guess people who don't struggle with their autism might see it that way because they don't see the downsides.
I used the term "full blown" to mean "all the classic symptoms present to the extreme", so it would include inability to speak.
You do understand the point I was making, tho'. Right?
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AQ 31
Your Aspie score: 100 of 200 / Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 101 of 200
You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits
What would these results mean? Been told here I must be a "half pint".
sounds a bit like X men
with X men the mutant increase was meant to be due to nuclear fall out from the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, not that mutants did not exist but there was a definite increase. erm not that x men is real but its still interesting
I don't think its likely for autism to be a mutation that is man made, if anything the increase in diagnosing could just be because more is now known about autism, it is still a relatively new found thing.
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Yes, as we all know, a child with full blown classic autism has such a pile of advantages.
Inability to handle sensory input, inability to speak, meltdowns...
Oh yeah, such advantages simply MUST be replicated and passed on to the entire human race!
No.
Certain qualities/traits based on a person's neurology may suggest shadows of autism, and yet those characteristics contribute to creativity and other positives. Put a bunch of those things together into one person, tho', and you end up with someone who can't function and needs help.
Not exactly an advantage.
To be fair I don't think all children with full blown autism are unable to speak.....some are, but they can communicate other ways. Still I don't really see autism as some evoluntionary advantage...I guess people who don't struggle with their autism might see it that way because they don't see the downsides.
I used the term "full blown" to mean "all the classic symptoms present to the extreme", so it would include inability to speak.
You do understand the point I was making, tho'. Right?
Yes I believe so essentially autism is actually a disadvantage in a lot of ways. I just got side tracked by that bit....it makes more sense now, I thought you meant classic autistics in general...not one with all the symptoms to an extreme.
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Yes, as we all know, a child with full blown classic autism has such a pile of advantages.
Inability to handle sensory input, inability to speak, meltdowns...
Oh yeah, such advantages simply MUST be replicated and passed on to the entire human race!
No.
Certain qualities/traits based on a person's neurology may suggest shadows of autism, and yet those characteristics contribute to creativity and other positives. Put a bunch of those things together into one person, tho', and you end up with someone who can't function and needs help.
Not exactly an advantage.
To be fair I don't think all children with full blown autism are unable to speak.....some are, but they can communicate other ways. Still I don't really see autism as some evoluntionary advantage...I guess people who don't struggle with their autism might see it that way because they don't see the downsides.
am writing as one of those full blown classic autistics and am able to speak to some degree in echolalia,plus also use alternative communication.
its a very common misbelief but it sounds like sethno was using fully low functioning autism to describe the spectrum of classic autism.
we do have some advantages that to the outsider may appear to be disadvantages,though there can be two sides to it- we lack self awareness even as adults and have a inability to recognise differences in others plus varying inability to compare ourselves to others in order to understand how we differ,this means we do not discriminate,do not feel inferior and do not have the pressure on us that HFAs have.
we lack all understanding of social rules and social boundaries;we arent aware of these stupid boundaries that HFAs are expected to follow.
we get easier access to support because our autism is visibly obvious [eg, behaviors,difficulties].
we dont have as many expectations placed on us by society,so we have less pressure.
we dont connect to other people or understand conformity,so we have less pressure.
[edited-just saw new post from sethno after posting this].
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I honestly wish I could adopt that outlook, because I'd be a lot happier. I have enough awareness of social rules to know that I fail at them, but not enough to actually succeed at fitting in. I understand that most people scorn and misjudge me, and I wish I could simply be indifferent to that fact, rather than pained by it.
I am grateful that I have no desire to socialize, and I truly prefer being alone, so at least I don't feel lonely or unfulfilled on a personal level. Maybe in time I can learn to not worry what anyone else thinks of me, but it's not a trait I was born with.
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Yes, as we all know, a child with full blown classic autism has such a pile of advantages.
Inability to handle sensory input, inability to speak, meltdowns...
Oh yeah, such advantages simply MUST be replicated and passed on to the entire human race!
>> added by daydreamer-too lazy to fix quote tags
No.
Certain qualities/traits based on a person's neurology may suggest shadows of autism, and yet those characteristics contribute to creativity and other positives. Put a bunch of those things together into one person, tho', and you end up with someone who can't function and needs help.
Not exactly an advantage.
To be fair I don't think all children with full blown autism are unable to speak.....some are, but they can communicate other ways. Still I don't really see autism as some evoluntionary advantage...I guess people who don't struggle with their autism might see it that way because they don't see the downsides.
I used the term "full blown" to mean "all the classic symptoms present to the extreme", so it would include inability to speak.
You do understand the point I was making, tho'. Right?
I do understand your point. I hate this autism is the next step in evolution crap!
* Just want to add that my scorn for this theory extends to people with any level of autism being thought of as the next stage of humanity.
I prefer to look at autism from an evolutionary perspective - like nature is haphazardly trying out new flavours of human to see what works. This better fits my self-perception, and just describes me as different and not sick. I am aware that this is possibly delusional.
Mind you, seeing yourself as an evolutionary dead-end hardly does wonders for one's self esteem
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