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07 Feb 2014, 12:01 pm

This is an older article, but I thought the results of the study were really interesting.

Autism linked to mirror neuron dysfunction

Basically, mirror neurons in a normal person activate when the person performs an action, or sees another person perform the same action. The activation of mirror neurons in response to another's actions will cause the person to unconsciously react to or imitate the action. In autism the mirror neurons activate when performing an action, but not when seeing another perform that action. This is at least partially responsible for the autistic being unable to respond to nonverbal social cues.

I think this one of the most relevant studies I have ever seen. It pinpoints exactly what is wrong with our ability to socialize. There are of course other contributing factors, but mirror neuron dysfunction can't be ignored.


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07 Feb 2014, 12:06 pm

It make sense to me. I have never been a person who likes to copy what someone else does. I've always had to create my own things and do them myself. In fact. I've always avoided trying to do what others do.



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07 Feb 2014, 12:09 pm

am interested in the topic of mirror neurons affects on autism as well.

personaly believe our lack of mirror neuron activation is why so many of us on the spectrum have a clear voice untainted by local accents,as these are learned by picking it up off others.


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07 Feb 2014, 12:26 pm

No, I don't believe in that theory.



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07 Feb 2014, 12:31 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:
No, I don't believe in that theory.


Why?


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07 Feb 2014, 12:37 pm

One study does not a theory make. For example:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 081159.htm

This paints a different picture, but implies that mirror function normalizes around age 30. How can this explain autism or Asperger's? It doesn't. Even if this is a piece of the ASD puzzle there are clearly many other pieces that are required to explain our experiences.



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07 Feb 2014, 12:42 pm

I don't do things like yawn when other people yawn.



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07 Feb 2014, 12:57 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:
One study does not a theory make. For example:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 081159.htm

This paints a different picture, but implies that mirror function normalizes around age 30. How can this explain autism or Asperger's? It doesn't. Even if this is a piece of the ASD puzzle there are clearly many other pieces that are required to explain our experiences.


I find the results of that study confusing. Personally, I am almost 30 and my ability to read body language is getting worse. It's almost nonexistent. I'm sure there are other 30+ people here who have the same issue. But if there really are people who got better as they aged I would like to hear from them.


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07 Feb 2014, 1:10 pm

Pastanoodle wrote:
JSBACHlover wrote:
One study does not a theory make. For example:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 081159.htm

This paints a different picture, but implies that mirror function normalizes around age 30. How can this explain autism or Asperger's? It doesn't. Even if this is a piece of the ASD puzzle there are clearly many other pieces that are required to explain our experiences.


I find the results of that study confusing. Personally, I am almost 30 and my ability to read body language is getting worse. It's almost nonexistent. I'm sure there are other 30+ people here who have the same issue. But if there really are people who got better as they aged I would like to hear from them.

Mine got better. When I was ten I was horrible at reading body language. When I was eleven and twelve I quickly got way better without much effort.


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07 Feb 2014, 1:21 pm

I don't believe that is true in all Aspies. I don't have much trouble reading body language and other non-verbal cues. My difficulties with socialising are due to other things like social anxiety, shyness, depression and put off by past experiences of being rejected so much.

When a person cries, it makes me cry. It happens every time. I suddenly go all sympathetic and empathetic. Today one of my colleagues broke down at work because she just got overwhelmed by all the rules and pressure that are going on in the workplace. I then felt tears coming to my eyes and I went all serious and felt like I was the one in her situation.

Also, usually when another person is embarrassed I can feel how embarrassed they are, and I find my face going red, even though I am not part of it at all.


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07 Feb 2014, 1:31 pm

Yes, I've seen this implicated many times within autism research. On the surface it seems to explain how people with autism may not pick up behaviours, forms of nonverbal communication so well or struggle with the acquisition of spoken language. However, I'm not sure if I buy it. Mirror neurons aren't well understood in humans as a whole. So I'd rather not suggest that malfunctioning mirror neurons or their systems are responsible for autism spectrum disorders before we know more about them. More research needs to be done; until then I'll remain skeptical.



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07 Feb 2014, 1:50 pm

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Dr. Christian Keysers, lead author on the project, detailed their findings, "While most of us have their strongest mirror activity while they are young, autistic individuals seem to have a weak mirror system in their youth, but their mirror activity increases with age, is normal by about age 30 and unusually high thereafter."

This increase in function of mirror neuron systems may be related to increased capacity for social function or responsiveness to rehabilitative treatments among individuals with autism.


If that were true, I should be socializing at a level equal to or exceeding that of neurotypicals at my age, and my social skills are as inept and nonexistent as they've ever been. There is no "increased capacity for social function," that's a load of horse manure. :roll:



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07 Feb 2014, 1:55 pm

Joe90 wrote:
When a person cries, it makes me cry. It happens every time. I suddenly go all sympathetic and empathetic.
Also, usually when another person is embarrassed I can feel how embarrassed they are, and I find my face going red, even though I am not part of it at all.



That's not the full test of Empathy, though. The test is not that you recognize an emotion (and who doesn't know what crying or blushing mean?), it's that you automatically know how to appropriately respond to the other person's emotional state. Do you rush over to comfort someone when you see them crying, or do you sit there awkwardly, feeling like you ought to do something, but unsure just what it should be, or what you should say?



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07 Feb 2014, 4:28 pm

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This paints a different picture, but implies that mirror function normalizes around age 30. How can this explain autism or Asperger's? It doesn't. Even if this is a piece of the ASD puzzle there are clearly many other pieces that are required to explain our experiences.


If a person had mirror neuron dysfunction for 30 years, and then it went away, they'd still have missed out on 30 years' worth of imitative learning.



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07 Feb 2014, 5:39 pm

i really hate doing things that other people around me are doing.


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07 Feb 2014, 6:19 pm

Willard wrote:
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Dr. Christian Keysers, lead author on the project, detailed their findings, "While most of us have their strongest mirror activity while they are young, autistic individuals seem to have a weak mirror system in their youth, but their mirror activity increases with age, is normal by about age 30 and unusually high thereafter."

This increase in function of mirror neuron systems may be related to increased capacity for social function or responsiveness to rehabilitative treatments among individuals with autism.


If that were true, I should be socializing at a level equal to or exceeding that of neurotypicals at my age, and my social skills are as inept and nonexistent as they've ever been. There is no "increased capacity for social function," that's a load of horse manure. :roll:

My point exactly. Which shows that there is something deeper going on than a few experiments and their speculations about "mirror neurons" would suggest.