Very Mild/Well-Adjusted Aspergers vs. "Nerd"
I am posting this because I've had a suspicion that I have Asperger's because someone (who is diagnosed at my school) said that I have some of the "traits" apparently. [BTW, I really dislike this kid as he's a diagnosed Aspie who claims he doesn't have it but says others do have it]
Here are the characteristics:
Academics and extracurriculars:
This, I think, is something that distinguishes me from the vast majority of AS, hopefully meaning I don't have it(I really don't want to be considered as having it). I've had straight A's throughout all my high school years. I have good relations with all my teachers and feel very comfortable at the high school. Unlike stereotypes I've heard of Aspergers who refuse to do easy classes that they aren't interested in, I strongly desire the "easy A". I'll do all the homework and studying required to get the grade required. I also got a 35 on the ACT and am vying for scholarships in that regard.
Extra-curricular wise, I'm in cross country, debate, Science Olympiad, and a few other academic/community service activities. I'm not great at cross country, but I'm not the worst on the team either. Math is definitely my favorite subject and I'm quite good at Academic Superbowl.
Personal Interests:
Statistics, politics, and economics are 3 personal interests of mine. I enjoy playing around with Excel data and personally have the goal of becoming an actuary. I am intensely interested in politics and do use Excel to do prediction modeling for the upcoming 2014 midterms (I, as a staunch conservative/libertarian Republican(though I recently was a liberal Democrat) am quite excited for the upcoming election.
So those are a few things about me. Here are the things that I would consider "Aspie" vs "non Aspie" traits of me
Aspie:
-Do "stim" somewhat by leaning back in my chair and rub my legs with my hands. I don't think I do this much more than other people, though, especially with the chair(very common behavior at school).
-When I was at the airport with several people from a program in Baltimore, it was the first time I had flown without my parents. I didn't think I was anxious, but the girls told me my body language and my "ticking" or something showed that I was nervous.
-I am not the best with interpreting body language.
Non-Aspie:
-Again, the facts about me academically strongly belie the overall stats for Aspies - 75% unemployed, 2/3 don't graduate high school, I believe.
-I often use sarcasm and wry humor, and I can't always detect it, but I usually can so long as there's a significant change in tone/inflection of voice. People also find my jokes/humor pretty funny.
-I try very hard not to offend people and make a very concerted effort not to upset people or make them dislike me. Generally, people consider me to be very kind and compassionate. I also do look people in the eye and greet them often in the hallways.
-I have no fear giving a presentation in front of a lot of people or participating in class. Generally, I'm quite participative in class and contribute to the discussions, especially in math, science, and history.
-Though in my childhood I was less attentive, I instantly respond when I'm called on by teachers/parents and don't have problems sustaining attention.
-I have a good number of friends, most of whom I've had since elementary/middle school.
I've taken quizzes which put me anywhere from neurotypical to borderline/very mild Aspies depending on how I judge myself with certain traits which are hard for me to assess fairly.
Are there any cases similar to mine?
I seem to have the nonverbal, physical aspects but none of the social aspects.
EDIT: I really don't want to be considered an "Aspie". I despise the idea of it being an illness and the two I know who are diagnosed are both lazy numbskulls who, I think, use it to do no work in school and annoy others without consequences. I'd just like to hear if there is a clear way of saying that cases like mine do or don't constitute the disorder(preferably don't, of course).
Your academic background is not really relevant, and examining the presence or absence of isolated traits will not provide sufficient information. Asperger's Syndrome is defined by deficit areas of functioning (not a list of must-have traits) which manifest differently and in different combinations in different people. You need to look at the actual diagnosis criteria (as a start, at least) if you want to determine whether or not you may have it.
The problem with ASDs is that the diagnostic criteria is extremely vague and subjective and it's not like Down Syndrome where you either have it or you don't with no middle ground. It's a wide spectrum and you will find ten different opinions from ten different experts. Ultimately, my question would be what does it matter to you? I would only seek diagnosis if I needed support and is was worth the financial/personal risk. I don't feel it is although I am 100% sure I am on the spectrum.
Like I've mentioned previously on this board, I have heard the "you are employed so you can't have Aspergers" line so much I want to scream. It's not a requirement that you be unemployed, just that you suffer impairment in one of three main categories and yes, taking three years to find a job counts as an impairment in my eyes even though I have full time, stable employment now. My question to you would be can you relate to the WP community as well as I can? Before I came here, I thought I was the only person like this in the world even though this site came up again and again when I did unrelated searches. It was downright eerie how many the stories I have read here sounds like they were plagiarized from me word for word. As for Aspie quizzes I'm not a fan even though I score off the charts on all of them because they seem to be geared more towards introversion (which I am as well), which is not always related to ASDs.
P.S. I have to admit I get really annoyed with real life, diagnosed Aspies. I might be able to relate to them, but I find them quite unbearable to be around and how they tend to suffocate me. I'm not like that at all but still am beyond doubt I am an Aspie even without a formal diagnosis.
NTs can be nerds, too.
NTs can have poor social skills, too.
Aspies can get good grades. Many of us excel academically but have poor social skills (me, for example).
Aspies can learn good social skills, but it's generally something that doesn't come naturally (I have gotten reasonably competent at it, but being social exhausts me).
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A person with an ASD, no matter how mild, won't (actually, "can't") partake in reciprocal social interaction with others.
Yes, most of my friends were nerds and NOT Aspies in school but I lost them all because I could NOT maintain a friendship with them. That's why I was bullied: because the nerds all had each other and I had no one. That is the big difference between nerds and Aspies: all the nerds I knew had lots of friends, even if they were fellow nerds.
I have a case of mild Asperger's Syndrome (AS). Your situation seems to have some similarities with mine.
You haven't given enough data for me to be confident of whether there's good a chance you have AS or not. Although if you do, it is an extremely mild version.
Before I continue, there are some things I'd like to mention that will hopefully make you more comfortable with the idea that you might have AS. If you wish to skip this, it takes up the next three paragraphs.
Firstly, remember that, even before there was a diagnosis for AS, it was present in the population. People have gone their entire lives without being diagnosed and are perfectly happy the way things are (I've encountered a few such people who have no idea that they have it, one of them being my Uncle who is in his mid fifties.)
Another thing is, if you've felt there is something odd about you all your life, it may be nice to have a name to what you have, so that you can know what makes you different, you don't feel like your alone in having it and can look for ways to manage it yourself, whether it's due to AS or something else. Statistically, one in four people have a 'mental disorder' of one type or another. It was actually a relief for me when I was diagnosed because it was always clear that there was something different about me even before I had a diagnosis. Having one allowed me to have some word to describe myself other than 'weird' and allowed my family to better understand what they were dealing with and get help for me where it was needed (I was 11 or 12 when diagnosed, though my parents had realized there was something going on when I was as young as 4).
Also, keep in mind that people with AS have their own unique personalities, just like everyone else. Some people, like those you mentioned, will use it to get a free ride through life. Others hate the idea of having it (some of them with very good reason, as it can really suck to be lower functioning on the spectrum or have it on top of several other disorders). Others will simply accept that they have it and try to work with it so they can work with issues that come with it. There are too many types of people with AS to describe here, so I won't. If you want to see more examples, you can look around wrongplanet.net to find them.
Although some people with AS do not perform well in school, there are others who are reasonably successful. Even though my grades in high school were not quite as high as yours, my average was still in the high eighties. I also had really good relationships with my teachers. I was able to deal with classes I wasn't very interested in because I valued my high grades as well (which happened often enough in the first few semesters of college), although if I ever had the chance to tie the work into a topic of my interest, I'd be much more interested and generally perform better.
I grew up in a house where sarcasm is often used and find myself using it often enough.
Although some people with AS often offend people, it's generally not meant as a purposeful slight, they just don't know when they've crossed the line. Personally, I try for the approach of being as polite and courteous as possible until I feel like I've learned the proper boundaries in social situations. On top of this, I can also make eye contact with others. When I was younger, one of the things my parents would do was to look at them when I was talking (once I was diagnosed and they knew some of the symptoms). I've actually have had one college professor questioned whether I had AS simply because I can hold eye contact (ironically, I suspect he has a mild form, too and guess what, he's one of the most respected people within his field and he could hold eye contact just as well as I could).
I have no fear of giving large groups presentations either. If there is a crowd, I can look out over them without seeing individual faces and it becomes easy. Part of this ease may come from the fact that I was in a chorus from third grade through high school. The elementary chorus even performed at places like museums and civic centers as well as at school. By middle School and high school, I could give solo performances or presentations without major issues. For me, the problem was with small groups or important people who I knew were judging me for something that mattered to me. An example would be a judge for the NYSMA (New York State Music Association) soloist competition.
As for class participation, some of my college professors used to have to set limits for the number of questions I could ask per class because I wanted to participate too much. I've improved some since then and try to keep quiet unless no one else has a response or I feel that mine is really important.
Unlike you, I am very limited in the number of friends that I have but I also had some major social issues throughout grade school because of how I shielded myself from my classmates that I am just now starting to make some real recovery progress.
Here are some other things to consider in trying to find the likelihood that you have AS (Realize that any one of these may not apply to everyone who has AS):
Do you suffer from meltdowns? This is an extremely common trait amongst people with AS. For me, I try to hide my negative emotions when I can but if I become too stressed I will spend a few minutes crying. I can generally sense it coming and if I act quickly enough can avoid it. After a certain point, there is no avoiding the meltdown but afterward, I feel relieved and can go for a long time (weeks or months) without another meltdown. These meltdowns can be exhausting and usually need a break from my day after it has occurred, sometimes I even need to take a nap to recuperate. If you want to see other meltdown examples, you can probably look around on this site or the internet in general.
Another thing to consider is what age groups do you interact with. You mentioned that you are able to interact with your teachers and that you have several friends. How close to your age are most of these friends? I have never been really able to interact with my own age group well and will generally find it easier socialize with people who are younger or older than I am.
You mention that you can socialize with other people. How much do you like to socialize? Do you find being around other people invigorating or exhausting? Do you like to be by yourself a lot, too. The truth is, many of us want to socialize sometimes and some of us can do it fairly well. We also often find it very energy intensive and like to spend more time by ourselves than other people.
How intense are your interests? Everyone has subjects that they are most interested in, people with AS just take it further than most.
Also, how do you learn? This is something I have only recently noticed. Some people with AS, such as myself are slow to learn compared to most but can remember what they learn from long periods of time, versus many people who do what I call "data dumping" and forget what they learn almost immediately once they feel they no longer needed.
Do you have any unusually high visual, audio or tactile sensitivities? Many people with AS have some sort of sensory issue along these lines. I have to take my exams in a separate location because of sensitivity to noises.
How is your balance and coordination? It's not unusual for people with AS to have issues with this. I am well known for my own klutziness.
I hope I've been some help for you in determining the likelihood that you have AS.
That seems false. Which data and from what source? Even if it's true, it obviously doesn't define AS.
Other than researching more information about the criteria, you can ask for clarification on this forum.
Also, Asperger's Syndrome is not an "illness" except perhaps to those who abide by a very atypical notion of illness.
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You don't sound terribly autistic to me. You may, quite possibly, fall on the "broader autistic phenotype" which means you have traits, but not enough for a diagnosis, but your stimming doesn't really sound like stimming, most people get nervous when flying alone for the first time, which leaves your only autistic trait as poor body language interpretation, and that by itself does not an aspie make.
By the way, I'm sure you didn't mean it how it sounds, but referring to the only aspies you know as "lazy numbskulls" and repeatedly asserting how very much you hope you don't have the "illness" won't endear you to many aspies.
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I agree. We're not doctors or trained and licensed specialists in autism and all we have to go one is one post on the internet so we clearly can't accurately assess if you're autistic or not but it doesn't sound like it to me either for the same reasons. Unless what you refer to and think of as your many friends are all actually just acquaintances that are nice to you and don't tease you like everyone else does and your perception of being likeable and having good social skills is just inaccurate then I agree. Some aspies don't have the same idea as another person their age of what a friend is ect. and have poor self insight, like me when I was younger.
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I don't know if you are on the autism spectrum or not. I suggest looking at the diagnostic criteria for Autism Spectrum Disorder in the DSM-V and seeing if you have any of the symptoms. If you do have some of the symptoms, ask yourself if they have caused you significant problems. If you have some of the symptoms and they have caused you significant problems, you can with confidence say that you are one of us.
Another, more expensive, way to find out is to find an autism specialist and get an assessment.
I come from a large family where not having AS traits is abnormal. I would only classify myself and my mom as being on the autism spectrum though. That's because we meet the classic diagnostic criteria and our lives are limited by our AS symptoms. Perhaps you are a normal person who is somewhat lacking in social intelligence. That's okay. It doesn't mean you have a mental illness or neurological disorder.
Well, to answer the question aspie vs. nerd I can use the TBBT as clarification. I am not a fan of the show and I don't like much the representation of Sheldon, but it could make a good example.
Leonard - nerd
Howard - nerd and weird
Sheldon - nerd and aspie
so aspie different weird different nerd. We can see it by each character's traits. Hope it helps.
about your case like others said your academic success may be irrelevant, some aspies thrive at school other don't. You don't sound much like an aspie but if you need clarification go for an evaluation and do more research on the topic.
also, the diagnosis is meant for impaired people. If you are not impaired and do not present problems with functioning then you don't have it.
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