Why do people hate curebies so much?
You wanting to be cured does not mean that you should make the decisions for EVERY OTHER autistic person out there.
Autism doesn't make me less valuable. A cure would not improve my life. It'd force things I would not choose upon me just because I'm disabled. That is not acceptable.
No person should be forced to be cured against their will.
Some people have so embraced their autism, they view it as "part of who they are" and they figure "I don't need to be cured, I'm different, not sick".
Personally, I don't know how autism can be cured, since it's been found to involved abnormally high numbers of neuron cells and the connections between them.
You start going into the brain destroying brain cells, you're taking a pretty big chance. I mean, can anyone say "lobotomy"?
Now, some sort of training to deal with symptoms and help someone function better, sure. But a cure of the basic neurological difference? How?
Maybe the "I'm different, not sick" people have a better slant?
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Because people assume that all curebies want to make the cure mandatory (no idea why... you can opt out of treatment for most conditions) - and, this is the big part, the more significant reason is that some curebies do not focus on the issues of actual autistic people, hoping for some bright future when their kid is cured instead.
Many curebie groups do not talk to autistic adults, do police trainings or legal workshops, focus on helping autistic folks get jobs, or teach parents about how to advocate for autistic kids, pushing only biomedical treatments and the idea of a cure. And I'm pro-cure and don't support groups that don't support actual autistic people.
I personally hope for a cure and hope to be cured. Actually speaking of the abortion thing, one of the reasons I want to choose adoption is so I don't pass down my genetics (which also include comorbids). Difference not disability does not work for everyone. People also abort because their kids have various other conditions and they do PGD embryo selection to get kids that have higher probabilities of being healthier, smarter, well adjusted, all the time. Whether this is against your religion or not, is up to you.
But for now, until a cure is found, it's more of the idea of alleviating the symptoms and dealing with real life issues like police brutality and criminal justice targeting of autistic adults. This means talking about the idea of neurodiversity and dealing with the very real situations in our community, like spreading understanding, helping people with daily living etc.
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What if the "cure" is the same as the "Down Syndrome" "cure" where chromosomal errors are identified pre-birth, so the parents can choose to abort ?
About 92% of pregnancies in the United Kingdom and Europe with a diagnosis of Down syndrome are terminated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome
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I don't care if someone wants to be cured, though I am skeptical about a cure existing...but yes if they somehow came up with a cure people who want it should have the right to it........but it shouldn't be forced. But the thing is autism is a neurological difference, and not a simple one so in order to effectively 'cure' it they would have to find a way to change your neurology to normal neurology and the trouble with that is even normal peoples brains and neurologies vary a bit..so I guess I just don't see it happening...and if it did, seems like there is a lot that could go wrong.
Essentially I don't want an accidental lobotomy...
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What if the "cure" is the same as the "Down Syndrome" "cure" where chromosomal errors are identified pre-birth, so the parents can choose to abort ?
About 92% of pregnancies in the United Kingdom and Europe with a diagnosis of Down syndrome are terminated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome
That's not a cure, and I doubt anyone using the term "cure" has that method in mind.
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Your Aspie score: 100 of 200 / Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 101 of 200
You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits
What would these results mean? Been told here I must be a "half pint".
I'm actually starting to feel more open to the idea of a cure, than I used to. I wouldn't mind sleeping better, being able to focus, having better executive functioning, and interacting with people more easily. And instead of 1 or 2 special interests, I'd have 10 or 20... When you look at it that way, what's not to like?
Though I do believe that we have our own strengths and unique contributions to society, and that without us, the balance might be upset, and there could be serious repercussions.
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Well, I'd sure as hell like a cure for my sensory issues and overload, my anxiety and social problems. I'd like to have non-verbal language that people don't perceive as odd or creepy or do things that people find annoying. I would like to not feel compelled to scratch and pick at my skin until there are welts and swollen bumps. If there were a cure and it could do that for me I'd be thrilled. I definitely don't think a cure should be forced on anyone and as for something like amniocentesis where you can detect whether a fetus would develop ASD before it was born and give the parents a chance to abort-I'm not sure what I think about that. It's certainly a little scary and could become a slippery slope where people try to make perfect babies.
What if the "cure" is the same as the "Down Syndrome" "cure" where chromosomal errors are identified pre-birth, so the parents can choose to abort ?
About 92% of pregnancies in the United Kingdom and Europe with a diagnosis of Down syndrome are terminated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome
That's not a cure, and I doubt anyone using the term "cure" has that method in mind.
It will become the "cure" if they can ever identify a chromosomal cause, and can test for it pre-birth. Based on the statistics above, mothers and governments have no qualms about terminating a "defective" baby.
What if the "cure" is the same as the "Down Syndrome" "cure" where chromosomal errors are identified pre-birth, so the parents can choose to abort ?
About 92% of pregnancies in the United Kingdom and Europe with a diagnosis of Down syndrome are terminated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome
Yes, this terrifies me. I don't want confused and uninformed parents killing off their children just because they are "not normal." And who defines what normal is? Some panel in Washington, D.C. or at Harvard?
What if the "cure" is the same as the "Down Syndrome" "cure" where chromosomal errors are identified pre-birth, so the parents can choose to abort ?
About 92% of pregnancies in the United Kingdom and Europe with a diagnosis of Down syndrome are terminated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome
Yes, this terrifies me. I don't want confused and uninformed parents killing off their children just because they are "not normal." And who defines what normal is? Some panel in Washington, D.C. or at Harvard?
Looks like it is starting in Australia ...
The internet was ablaze last week with the news that health authorities in Western Australia (WA) have given approval for IVF clinics to ‘screen’ embryos to reduce the chances of a couple having a child with autism.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013 ... ing-autism
I don't know think it can be cured, its not a disease or a tumor that can be cut out. It is the very structure of your brain. Even if they could it wouldn't cure YOU. You would cease to exist and a new and different person would be in your body.
As for me, I like me just as I am.
What about autistic children? And those who don't have an effective means of communication? (There are AAC users who oppose being cured, by the way.) They won't be able to opt out of a cure if their caregiver wants it and they don't.
What about autistic children? And those who don't have an effective means of communication? (There are AAC users who oppose being cured, by the way.) They won't be able to opt out of a cure if their caregiver wants it and they don't.
I am one who agrees that a cure would be nearly impossible. I think it's not only a matter of it being part of neurology, but I think that as Aspies, we see a side of society that non-Aspies often refuse to acknowledge in themselves or others. I think it would be hard to get rid of the ramifications of that.
Anyway, I have no problem with people wanting to get cured, but if there was a cure and it was called a "cure," and some people refused it, there would be all kinds of problems created. Oh you just want to be disabled? Etc. What a mess!
What about autistic children? And those who don't have an effective means of communication? (There are AAC users who oppose being cured, by the way.) They won't be able to opt out of a cure if their caregiver wants it and they don't.
I am one who agrees that a cure would be nearly impossible. I think it's not only a matter of it being part of neurology, but I think that as Aspies, we see a side of society that non-Aspies often refuse to acknowledge in themselves or others. I think it would be hard to get rid of the ramifications of that.
Anyway, I have no problem with people wanting to get cured, but if there was a cure and it was called a "cure," and some people refused it, there would be all kinds of problems created. Oh you just want to be disabled? Etc. What a mess!
They could just call it a neurology change. Just like transgender people get sex changes.
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