How much of our problem is really the Autism?

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13 Feb 2014, 7:03 pm

Like others on the spectrum I have faced bullying and isolation.

I wonder how many of us are suffering psychological problems and mood disorders from the stress of what has happened in our lives rather then the ASD itself.

After close to two years I have been made permanent in my job but my mood is all over the place up and down.

Long before I fingered out that I was on the spectrum people always said I was paranoid and I did not believe it.

I am paranoid I always fear the worst and and afraid my situation will fall apart.

I believe that comes from my life experience rather then my Aspergers or Autism.

And NTs wonder why people on the spectrum don't like them. :roll:



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13 Feb 2014, 7:11 pm

Would we have been easy to victimize and would we have been left scarred if it wasn't for the autism?

Seems to me the autism would be to blame for the emotional problems that resulted, including paranoia.

If you hadn't been autistic, would you have had so many negative experiences that left you with "baggage"?


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13 Feb 2014, 7:12 pm

There are obviously differences in how ASD expresses itsself in each individual.

For me. My main difficulties are lack of emotional control, and ridged thinking.

Like you, my emotions are on a constant roller coaster. I've learned to (control/ignore/deal with) them to a degree. But sometimes they just get on top of me. I can't keep the fight up and I go on a big downer for days at a time.

I work in Engineering, and the people around me also have their ups and downs.

I think; that on a daily basis, I'm not too much different from the NT's around me. The big difference between me and them is when I do get emotional (love/hate), I can't cope with it and I go to pieces quickly. It takes me hours to days to recover from an emotional breakdown. But at work, I exclude emotions and do my work.

I got bullied at school. But I would come out swinging and fight back with all my might. So for me, I don't believe these events colour my current difficulties. My lack of emotional control seem to ASD traits.



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13 Feb 2014, 7:13 pm

Sethno wrote:

If you hadn't been autistic, would you have had so many negative experiences that left you with "baggage"?


Your right but the angle I am trying to get at if people had of left us alone the Autism would have not been a major in itself.



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13 Feb 2014, 7:17 pm

Yes my emotions are all over the place too and have been for years I am only really starting to see that now.



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13 Feb 2014, 7:24 pm

Years of bullying and ostracisation has taken its toll on my mental and is the soul cause of my depression. I do not judge myself for not being good at things, i think life is too short for all of that judgmental stuff, but years of abuse from people has scared me. And now of course because I am scared no one wants to know me. If people would stop ostracising me I might have a chance of healing psychologically but instead they continue to ostracise me because an emotionally scared person is unattractive to them.

I am paying over and over and over again for what my abusers did to me whilst they walk away freely.

The sad thing is, I could happily leave my past behind me if only it would stop haunting my future. The fact that people avoid me because I have experienced abuse makes it impossible for me to move on.

Before the abuse added up to psychological and emotional scaring my ASD like traits (not sure if I have it or not) only mildly impaired my ability to study and hold down a job. It had more of an affect on my ability to form friendships but it was the emotional distress from the abuse and severe ostracisation that was the blow that stopped me from working and getting a degree.

So all in all, if I do have an ASD the abuse was more damaging to me than the ASD ever was.



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13 Feb 2014, 7:26 pm

bumble wrote:
Years of bullying and ostracisation has taken its toll on my mental and is the soul cause of my depression. I do not judge myself for not being good at things, i think life is too short for all of that judgmental stuff, but years of abuse from people has scared me. And now of course because I am scared no one wants to know me. If people would stop ostracising me I might have a chance of healing psychologically but instead they continue to ostracise me because an emotionally scared person is unattractive to them.

I am paying over and over and over again for what my abusers did to me whilst they walk away freely.

The sad thing is, I could happily leave my past behind me if only it would stop haunting my future. The fact that people avoid me because I have experienced abuse makes it impossible for me to move on.


This is just how I feel.



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13 Feb 2014, 7:33 pm

sharkattack wrote:
bumble wrote:
Years of bullying and ostracisation has taken its toll on my mental and is the soul cause of my depression. I do not judge myself for not being good at things, i think life is too short for all of that judgmental stuff, but years of abuse from people has scared me. And now of course because I am scared no one wants to know me. If people would stop ostracising me I might have a chance of healing psychologically but instead they continue to ostracise me because an emotionally scared person is unattractive to them.

I am paying over and over and over again for what my abusers did to me whilst they walk away freely.

The sad thing is, I could happily leave my past behind me if only it would stop haunting my future. The fact that people avoid me because I have experienced abuse makes it impossible for me to move on.


This is just how I feel.


It is bad when the abused/bullied are shunned and/or blamed for the actions of the bully...when it is the bully who should really be paying the price for their actions.

On a side note, as someone who loves sharks, I love your screen name.



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13 Feb 2014, 7:35 pm

Autism in itself is a neurological processing dysfunction involving hypersensitivity to sensory stimuli and the resultant difficulties in processing that stimuli. It has nothing whatsoever to do with anything remotely emotional, or for that matter, psychological.

IMHO, all issues involving psychological disturbance or emotional imbalance are not a direct part of the autism itself. They are comorbid fallout from the frustrations and abuses that occur as a result of the autism.

Autism creates > sensory overload, which leads > to processing impairment, which > results in the underdevelopment of social skills, which in turn result in > loneliness and depression and bullying and ostracization, which cause > depression and other psychological problems. One leads to the next, like a row of falling dominoes.



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13 Feb 2014, 7:36 pm

sharkattack wrote:
Sethno wrote:

If you hadn't been autistic, would you have had so many negative experiences that left you with "baggage"?


Your right but the angle I am trying to get at if people had of left us alone the Autism would have not been a major in itself.



I think in my case that is true, but I feel like I'd be in the moderate functioning range...without the torture of public school I think I might have had a better chance of not developing a crap load of mental problems, to get in the way of everything I attempt. I don't think I'd be perfectly functional as some of the problems I have are directly related to the symptoms of autism...but I'd probably be able to hold a job or make it through college and then get a job.


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13 Feb 2014, 7:38 pm

bumble wrote:
sharkattack wrote:
bumble wrote:
Years of bullying and ostracisation has taken its toll on my mental and is the soul cause of my depression. I do not judge myself for not being good at things, i think life is too short for all of that judgmental stuff, but years of abuse from people has scared me. And now of course because I am scared no one wants to know me. If people would stop ostracising me I might have a chance of healing psychologically but instead they continue to ostracise me because an emotionally scared person is unattractive to them.

I am paying over and over and over again for what my abusers did to me whilst they walk away freely.

The sad thing is, I could happily leave my past behind me if only it would stop haunting my future. The fact that people avoid me because I have experienced abuse makes it impossible for me to move on.


This is just how I feel.


It is bad when the abused/bullied are shunned and/or blamed for the actions of the bully...when it is the bully who should really be paying the price for their actions.

On a side note, as someone who loves sharks, I love your screen name.



You might notice its a gay shark too. :oops:



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13 Feb 2014, 7:42 pm

sharkattack wrote:
bumble wrote:
sharkattack wrote:
bumble wrote:
Years of bullying and ostracisation has taken its toll on my mental and is the soul cause of my depression. I do not judge myself for not being good at things, i think life is too short for all of that judgmental stuff, but years of abuse from people has scared me. And now of course because I am scared no one wants to know me. If people would stop ostracising me I might have a chance of healing psychologically but instead they continue to ostracise me because an emotionally scared person is unattractive to them.

I am paying over and over and over again for what my abusers did to me whilst they walk away freely.

The sad thing is, I could happily leave my past behind me if only it would stop haunting my future. The fact that people avoid me because I have experienced abuse makes it impossible for me to move on.


This is just how I feel.


It is bad when the abused/bullied are shunned and/or blamed for the actions of the bully...when it is the bully who should really be paying the price for their actions.

On a side note, as someone who loves sharks, I love your screen name.



You might notice its a gay shark too. :oops:


?

Whats wrong with a gay shark? Which type of gay? Eitehr way original question stands.



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13 Feb 2014, 7:48 pm

[/quote]

?

Whats wrong with a gay shark? Which type of gay? Eitehr way original question stands.[/quote]

I have never been in a relationship because I just can't do it.
However I am male and I know if I did want a relationship it would be a gay one.

The fact that I have come out with my Autism makes it more simple for me to stay in the closet about my sexual orientation.

To answer your question there is nothing wrong with being gay I just don't need to stand out anymore then I already do.

As regards the gay shark it was from the movie Shark Tale and I loved that gay shark.



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13 Feb 2014, 8:07 pm

That's fine. I just like your screen name. I have several movies with a similar name include the Shark Attack Trilogy and Shark Attack in Malibu which features the goblin shark which is one of my favourites as it's a bit of a living fossil.

I am going to assume your interest in the shark in shark tale is not an interest in sharks themselves though.



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13 Feb 2014, 8:07 pm

I don't have mood disorders or psychological problems, so I don't consider these part of autism.


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13 Feb 2014, 8:09 pm

bumble wrote:
That's fine. I just like your screen name. I have several movies with a similar name include the Shark Attack Trilogy and Shark Attack in Malibu which features the goblin shark which is one of my favourites as it's a bit of a living fossil.

I am going to assume your interest in the shark in shark tale is not an interest in sharks themselves though.


I did love Jaws and I have a big poster of a Great White shark on my bedroom wall.