Man Starves to Death After Benefits Cut

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13 Mar 2014, 10:27 pm

I came across this article. Very scary. I feel bad for the poor guy.

http://bit.ly/1k8IRO9

I apologize if this has already been posted.



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13 Mar 2014, 10:46 pm

ATOS has killed thousands of disabled people by canceling their benefits. They've assessed comatose people as "fit to work" because they failed to show up for their assessments because they were in a coma. Because apparently being in a coma is no excuse.

But yeah, many people have died after losing benefits because of ATOS.



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14 Mar 2014, 12:41 am

I meant to say that it was an autistic man who starved to death.

Anyway, they've declared me fit to work even though I'm going through a crippling depression and can barely get out of bed. And I brought them a paper from my therapist stating that.

No wonder there are so many homeless people in this country. I'm surprised more people aren't dying in the streets.



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14 Mar 2014, 1:47 am

I hope your appeal will get your benefits.

This article says more than 10,000 deaths:

http://www.freecriticalthinking.org/dai ... death-toll



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14 Mar 2014, 1:53 am

One part of me thinks they are doing this to weed out the abusers but it backfired.

The other part of me thinks they are doing this to decline their population and weed out the disabled.


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14 Mar 2014, 2:00 am

They're doing it under the pretense of reducing benefits fraud.

The thing about benefits fraud is that it never happens at the rate many believe it does. People are dying literally days after assessments, like this man:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/polit ... rk-3177803

This article describes how much actual benefits fraud there appears to be:

http://www.cas.org.uk/features/myth-bus ... efit-fraud

And while fraud is wrong, instituting draconian policies that serve to put vulnerable people in risky situations is certainly not the way to go about it.

Anyway, the fraud idea is just a dog whistle. Your second sentence is closer to the truth.



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14 Mar 2014, 2:28 am

This speaks volumes about how misunderstood mental illnesses, and mental health as a whole are. People think "oh, he's able-bodied, he should get off his ass and work!", but the body can only work when the mind works as well, and when a person is having issues with their mental health, that is a legitimate concern, in my opinion. Government assistance exists to help people who for one reason or another cannot work, and that includes mental health reasons.

I'm baffled and dismayed that they did nothing to help this man, especially considering that he was so depressed he couldn't get out of bed, and that he had a phobia of food. Those two things should have been clear signs that something was wrong, and that something should have been done.



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14 Mar 2014, 2:49 am

The point of ATOS is not to help people receive benefits. The point of ATOS is to get people off benefits. The point of ATOS is to be the instrument of a government that is hostile to benefits and people who need benefits. What's been going on in the UK recently has been all about demonizing disabled people and single mothers and others who receive benefits, to reduce those benefits, and to force people off of them. If they cared at all for these people there wouldn't be 10,000+ people dead after ATOS decided they didn't need disability benefits.

This blog covers what's been going on:

http://diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot.com/

Also, given the overall media saturation of disabled people as benefits scroungers, hate crimes against disabled people are on the rise:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 58841.html

None of this is a coincidence. None of this is due to someone just not knowing what they should be doing or making mistakes in their assessments. None of this is because of a misunderstanding about mental illness and mental health - people with all kinds of disabilities at all severity levels are being kicked off benefits and forced to go through appeals to get them back. Things are going according to plan.

This is a logical step on the path of "entitlement reform" or the attitude that people shouldn't need or want "entitlements."



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14 Mar 2014, 2:50 am

Reading the comments to the article in the link Verdandi posted, I am shocked how stupid ATOS is to say people are fit to work when it's so obvious they are not. It all looks Nazi. I wonder if the families can sue. I keep wondering about the aspie man how did he eat while on benefits if he had food phobia. That is what I am still confused about.


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14 Mar 2014, 5:40 am

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None of this is a coincidence. None of this is due to someone just not knowing what they should be doing or making mistakes in their assessments. None of this is because of a misunderstanding about mental illness and mental health - people with all kinds of disabilities at all severity levels are being kicked off benefits and forced to go through appeals to get them back. Things are going according to plan.

This is a logical step on the path of "entitlement reform" or the attitude that people shouldn't need or want "entitlements."


I agree completely with this assessment. The goal is to save money. If a few thousand, or many thousands of people have to die to increase the wealth of people like David Cameron, so be it. Those people are viewed as worth less, perhaps even worthless, anyway.

Killing people off was what the change in benefit eligibility was intended to do. All the rest is camouflage to make it look less disgusting than it really is.



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14 Mar 2014, 11:05 am

Stuff like this scares the s**t out of me. I'm unable to drive, which means it's not possible for me to go someplace to work. I have to live with my parents too. Not only am I aspie, but I'm bipolar, have anxiety, adhd, and ocd. I never know if I'm going to wake up after 6 hours of sleep ready to take on the world, or wake up after 12 and have to deal with leaden paralysis for a good chunk of the day. If I could get a ride to a work place, the fluorescent lighting, background noises, and people interaction would have me either crying, rocking back and forth, or falling asleep from exhaustion.

It's not that I want benefits or to go on disability. I'd like to know that I can find a work from home job doing some programming or writing articles on music, but my parents dying and leaving me to fend for myself is the scariest thing that I think about. Knowing that many people don't take mental disabilities seriously and we're told to 'toughen up'. I feel uneasy thinking about it.


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14 Mar 2014, 11:22 am

I don't think the death toll of thousands is due entirely to the withdrawal of benefits. Many of these people were terminally ill. Withdrawing benefits from someone who's terminally ill is an absolutely horrible thing to do, but it doesn't cause their death if they were already dying. Not that that makes it okay.

But they weren't all terminal patients. Some of those deaths are would not have happened if they had kept their benefits.

I know what it's like; I'm in danger of that, too, just like anyone who's on welfare. I have a friend who's a quadriplegic who nearly lost benefits--and she has an obvious and obviously severe disability. It's not just because we don't seem too disabled or because for some of us the disability truly is mild. Anybody with a disability is in danger.

It won't do us any good to just live in fear of losing benefits. Instead, we should commit to helping each other, however we can. If we can't trust the government, we should be able to trust each other. Get to know the people in your area who are disabled, keep tabs on each other, and when someone needs help, help them or yell at whoever's supposed to be, until they do. Don't leave anyone behind, and don't be afraid to ask for help when you yourself need it. We are not helpless and we do not have to put ourselves at the mercy of people who think of us as numbers.

I added Mark to the memorial a few days ago. His experiences are eerily similar to mine, right down to the pile of unopened mail he couldn't deal with when his coping skills started to disintegrate. I honestly feel like it's simple luck that he's dead and I'm alive. But that's the way it is... everyone dies, eventually. I just want to do something worthwhile before I do.

Regarding benefits fraud: Did you know that the most common kind of benefits fraud is the family members of a disabled person on welfare, taking their money and spending it on themselves? The most common victims of disability welfare fraud are the disabled themselves.


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14 Mar 2014, 1:39 pm

Would this count as fraud? My ex boyfriend told me his mom tried signing him up for social security just so she can have extra money to pay for their land and he got denied. She didn't try and reapply him again. But to me that sounded messed up for her reason for signing him up than for so he wouldn't be a burden to them and so they wouldn't have to pay for his expenses and all and it's for him to support himself. That's probably why they denied him if they actually told them it's so she can pay for their land.


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14 Mar 2014, 1:44 pm

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I don't think the death toll of thousands is due entirely to the withdrawal of benefits. Many of these people were terminally ill. Withdrawing benefits from someone who's terminally ill is an absolutely horrible thing to do, but it doesn't cause their death if they were already dying. Not that that makes it okay.

But they weren't all terminal patients. Some of those deaths are would not have happened if they had kept their benefits.


Yeah, terminally ill people told they need to go to work despite their condition:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011 ... rry-newman

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I know what it's like; I'm in danger of that, too, just like anyone who's on welfare. I have a friend who's a quadriplegic who nearly lost benefits--and she has an obvious and obviously severe disability. It's not just because we don't seem too disabled or because for some of us the disability truly is mild. Anybody with a disability is in danger.


Yes - I was trying to make that point earlier. It's not just mental illness. People in comas are being kicked off.

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Regarding benefits fraud: Did you know that the most common kind of benefits fraud is the family members of a disabled person on welfare, taking their money and spending it on themselves? The most common victims of disability welfare fraud are the disabled themselves.


For example, my sister has attempted to be such a fraudster.

She had her daughter (my niece) and her granddaughter on her SNAP benefits, but she spent the money on herself. She tried to coerce me to spend all of my SNAP benefits on what she wanted and if I ever bought myself anything it was making her go hungry. She, along with her husband makes ~$3200 a month where as my cash and SNAP benefits combined come to under $400.

She is like 40 years old and complained that it wasn't "fair" for her to have to provide herself, her husband, her two daughters, and her granddaughter with food with her own money, and it wasn't fair for me, having to only feed myself, to only buy food for myself. She tried to claim that the only reason I wouldn't agree with that is because I am "messed up in the head" (which she specifically meant autistic). If she hadn't stopped pushing this in December I was going to report her exploitation. My niece did tell DSHS when she got food stamps that her mother never spent a cent on food for either her or her baby.



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14 Mar 2014, 3:08 pm

Callista wrote:
I don't think the death toll of thousands is due entirely to the withdrawal of benefits. Many of these people were terminally ill. Withdrawing benefits from someone who's terminally ill is an absolutely horrible thing to do, but it doesn't cause their death if they were already dying. Not that that makes it okay.

But they weren't all terminal patients. Some of those deaths are would not have happened if they had kept their benefits.

I know what it's like; I'm in danger of that, too, just like anyone who's on welfare. I have a friend who's a quadriplegic who nearly lost benefits--and she has an obvious and obviously severe disability. It's not just because we don't seem too disabled or because for some of us the disability truly is mild. Anybody with a disability is in danger.

It won't do us any good to just live in fear of losing benefits. Instead, we should commit to helping each other, however we can. If we can't trust the government, we should be able to trust each other. Get to know the people in your area who are disabled, keep tabs on each other, and when someone needs help, help them or yell at whoever's supposed to be, until they do. Don't leave anyone behind, and don't be afraid to ask for help when you yourself need it. We are not helpless and we do not have to put ourselves at the mercy of people who think of us as numbers.

I added Mark to the memorial a few days ago. His experiences are eerily similar to mine, right down to the pile of unopened mail he couldn't deal with when his coping skills started to disintegrate. I honestly feel like it's simple luck that he's dead and I'm alive. But that's the way it is... everyone dies, eventually. I just want to do something worthwhile before I do.

Regarding benefits fraud: Did you know that the most common kind of benefits fraud is the family members of a disabled person on welfare, taking their money and spending it on themselves? The most common victims of disability welfare fraud are the disabled themselves.


It is unfortunate and even tragic that all of these benefits are being cut. I think it may be worth looking at how people not processing data more comprehensively, so not being aware and sensitive is interconnected with this kind of happening. I quote this message below because I think there are some example in it which involve an attempt to process data more comprehensively. I will select the comments she has made which I believe point to a kind of thinking that is tending to be more comprehensive thinking. This is not to imply I either agree or disagree with these particular points or think some of them are even that significant, but simply to illustrate comprehensive thinking, which stands out not like a sore thumb, but like a green thumb.
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I don't think the death toll of thousands is due entirely to the withdrawal of benefits. Many of these people were terminally ill. Withdrawing benefits from someone who's terminally ill is an absolutely horrible thing to do, but it doesn't cause their death if they were already dying. Not that that makes it okay.

But they weren't all terminal patients. Some of those deaths are would not have happened if they had kept their benefits.

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It won't do us any good to just live in fear of losing benefits. Instead, we should commit to helping each other, however we can. If we can't trust the government, we should be able to trust each other. Get to know the people in your area who are disabled, keep tabs on each other, and when someone needs help, help them or yell at whoever's supposed to be, until they do. Don't leave anyone behind, and don't be afraid to ask for help when you yourself need it. We are not helpless and we do not have to put ourselves at the mercy of people who think of us as numbers
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Wow! It is easy to see that this is not only comprehensive thinking but that it connects with feeling in a way that is very generative and postitive and that this kind of thinking/feeling, this kind of mind can affect the world

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I added Mark to the memorial a few days ago. His experiences are eerily similar to mine, right down to the pile of unopened mail he couldn't deal with when his coping skills started to disintegrate. I honestly feel like it's simple luck that he's dead and I'm alive. But that's the way it is... everyone dies, eventually. I just want to do something worthwhile before I do.


This is the altruistic motivation put into the context of the hard fact of limited time, but in the vein of life, of positive thinking, so gives hope and by this hope is connected to the future by the aspiration of conscious doing, not just for the sake of oneself but also for the sake of ones brother. This is the kind of love which can perhaps in some way has the potential to even transcend physical death.

Of course the ultimate realization is in the actual deed to help ones brother which transcends ordinary thought, analysis, grudges, magical thinking, all of it, and is simply a beautiful flower opening.



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14 Mar 2014, 5:39 pm

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Reading the comments to the article in the link Verdandi posted, I am shocked how stupid ATOS is to say people are fit to work when it's so obvious they are not. It all looks Nazi. I wonder if the families can sue. I keep wondering about the aspie man how did he eat while on benefits if he had food phobia. That is what I am still confused about.

It's a very complicated case. A link to a less-biased article was posted in PPR at the time. Whilst losing his benefits didn't help and was stupid, it sounds like this man's long term health was very fragile in any case.

ATOS are the worst thing this government has imposed upon people. Fortunately, they've said they're not going to renew their contract thanks to protests against them. Hopefully whoever takes over will be less evil.