Meltdown with yelling and crying at the same time

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Is a normal aspie meltdown comprised of yelling and crying at the same time? I can understand children doing it, but adult males? Do you do this as an adult?

This is normal for anybody, Aspie is not linked to crying and shouting at the same time

There are diferente types of meltdowns, like shutdowns, rage outburst, just crying etc. So it wouldn't be a "normal" meltdown but one of the types.
Yes I do. But like other aspies when we grow older we learn how to avoid it, so they become rare.

No it is not normal for anybody. An adult male or female does not scream and cry at the same time. Children do that, but not adults.

Yes they do. A healthy adult who for example just lost their wife or child to death, would cry and scream at the same time.

That's called a normal reaction. That is what impairments is all about. Rather something is a normal reaction or not. It's an impairment when it's not a normal reaction. Like most people would cry and scream if they lost their child or partner so that would be considered normal, even for an aspie.

But if someone came into your office and took a pen and used it and put it back but they didn't put it back in the right spot and you saw it had been moved, most people would just fix it and move on of it bothered them but an aspie may just cry and scream over it when they see it and everyone around them thinks they're over reacting and it's not a big deal so chill will you. If an aspie saw the pen out of pen and fixed it too because they also liked it in a certain spot, I guess that would be considered a normal reaction and not AS if they didn't meltdown over it.

My meltdowns are actually like that.

I didn't say anything about a meltdown. I said crying and screaming is not linked to Aspie. Please read what I said

I understand the OP meant a meltdown, but a meltdown comes in various forms - more easily triggered in someone on the Autism spectrum, and not as easily triggered like the above example I gave, in a 'healthy' person.

If you cry and scream at the same time, it's a normal thing, that's what I was saying. Physically it is a normal thing.

The thread is about meltdowns so therefore anyone who responds in it regarding screaming and crying I will think meltdown because that is what the thread is about. I will not know they are going off topic about it. I can't read your mind. I did read what you wrote.

If I jumped in a thread that was talking about relationships but yet I was talking about something that had nothing to do with relationships, people will think I was talking about a relationship because of what the thread is about. It wouldn't mean they didn't read what I wrote. They would have just been confused. Thus the reason why every topic posted in the GAD section, almost everyone assumes the OP means it has something to do with ASD because of where the topic was posted. If it had nothing to do with autism, it would be in the random discussion right?



I already understood you meant that and it is still called a meltdown even in normal people. Everyone has a meltdown but we are just more prone to it. There is such thing as a normal reaction and not a normal reaction so that is when it becomes an impairment. I learned this in my autism group.



Yes but even having a routine is a normal thing too or having a hard time fitting in or relating to people. I have read that AS symptoms sound like it's something everyone goes through but it becomes an impairment if it has impact on your life and causes you a significant impairment. Heck even having a meltdown is a normal thing for kids but yet autistic kids have them too and people will say it's autism because it's about what is a normal reaction or not and people will dismiss it saying "that's normal, all kids do that."

-facepalm-

OK so nowhere in the OP did they mention about it being normal to cry and yell at the same time? And did I answer that? Yes, I did, by telling them it was normal full stop, let alone in a melt down.

The OP asked if it was normal for an aspie. The OP said it wasn't normal for anybody and you said it was and listed an example which is pretty normal in everyone. So I told you when it's not normal and listed an example and it turned into this.

I didn't turn it into anything. I replied briefly and you made it into a big thing.

I'm not replying any more, this is useless.

Good. I thought the same about you.

I think yes crying and screaming is normal for anybody - in response to extreme events as someone mentioned above, like someone dying. So I do see what you mean that yes it is normal for anybody, sometimes. However I think what the OP is getting at, and what other people replying here are getting at, is: Is crying and shouting normal behaviour within an Aspie meltdown, even when you are an adult? From what I have read, an Aspie meltdown differs from normal NT behaviour of crying and screaming, in that the meltdown appears often more frequently and in circumstances where most 'normal' people would not have such an intense out-of-control reaction.

From the books on autistic meltdowns I have read, I gather it is a myth that adult Aspie's don't have such intense meltdowns as children. Yes it seems much more common in children with ASD, as an adult may have learnt to reduce the sensory and communication stressors that were triggering the meltdowns, by understanding themselves better or other people learning to understand them better etc. But I have read of many adults with Asperger's who still get intense meltdowns either every now and again, or some still quite regularly. I have also read that you may not hear about this happening to adults, because they find it embarrassing due to the fact they think, we think 'I am too old to be having such severe reactions that to the outside world can look like a kid's temper tantrum' so they will often not talk about it.

I don't have a diagnosis yet therefore I don't know for sure that what I experience is a meltdown, however assuming for now that what I experience is a meltdown in order to tentatively answer the OPs question, this is my experience:

I am 23 and I still have these episodes where I cry, scream, shake and bang my body/ hit my head uncontrollably, in response to something that normal people would not respond in that way to. E.g. I have entered that state in response to what other people would see as insignificant things such as a loud noise, not being able to make a decision, or struggling to communicate to someone something that is really important to me and emotionally charged etc. Frustration and anxiety seems to escalate into panic and severe distress when I am already particularly stressed and some little thing sends me overboard. As for the shouting - I don't seem to shout much, as my speech I am told is rather incoherent when I am in that state, it's like my brain won't even function to think of anything to shout, so mostly all that tends to come out is the screaming and hysterical crying.

I am interested to hear the answers to your question as I still want to get a better idea for what an autistic meltdown looks like or how it may vary among different people.

EDIT: I have just noticed you asked about 'yelling' rather than 'shouting'. I am not sure if you include screaming AND shouting things within 'yelling'? Or one or the other? Lol, ah well.

I am a lot like Stephen Quire when I'm having a rage outburst, except that I cry and don't smash things up like he does. But I am extremely verbal when having one, even as a child. When I'm having a rage outburst, I look more like an insecure person with poor anger management. I don't have stereotypical Aspie meltdowns like going non-verbal and just making grunting or groaning noises and needing somebody to apply pressure to me or anything like that. If somebody started doing that thinking it was a way to calm me down, I'd just yell ''ohh get off!! ! I am not an animal!! !''

I tried to see if I could find an adult on the spectrum having a rage outburst but all I could find was children on the spectrum or very Autistic adults. I think it would be interesting to see how another adult with a mild spectrum disorder like myself having a rage outburst like I have.

Thank you for the more detailed description in what the OP meant. I now understand, instead people just attacking me and simply disagreeing with what I'm saying, so thanks