HUH.Look at this.

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I think ASD is fine.

It's a spectrum, that's why people with Aspergers are at the low end of the spectrum, because they don't really have a language or motor problem, whereas you get someone higher on the spctrum, who does.

It's like Dissociation is a spectrum - from daydreaming/zoning out at the low end, to PTSD and DID (previously MPD) on the high end of the spectrum.

I wonder if there is a relationship between what they named the program and Annie's cup size. They sure do pan out a lot on that camera.

1:42 onward is perhaps the first time I see any type of media newscast bring out this crucial difference.

I abhor psychology because it is all based on guesswork and trial and error. Its what alchemy is to chemistry. Psychology is still stuck in the pseudo-science stage.. it is literally the modern version of a shaman.

Several neurological studies have shown strong indications that there is a big difference in asperger's and autism in general. The reason why it is bunched into the same autism category is simply because there are shared symptoms. Being a guesswork field, psychology links ASD and AS together in what would be equivalent of a medical doctor bunching tuberculosis and the common cold because both cause you to cough for example.

Eh. I don't personally have any vested interest in it either way.

2007 Journal Article proposing differences between HFA and AS.



Personally, I was diagnosed with Aspergers and mixed expressive receptive language disorder. According to this article and the convenient chart, I fit HFA much better. I have speech problems (still) and am in speech therapy. My visual-spatial skills and visual memory are my strengths. My verbal memory is in the disabled range. My performance IQ is significantly higher than my verbal IQ.

I've always identified with being classified as "on the spectrum" and things written by autistic people are very relevant for me. Either I am an expel that doesn't fit the mold for Aspergers, or I should have been diagnosed with Autism instead.

Olga Bogdashina's work suggests that they are the same disorder and on a spectrum.

Many people diagnosed with AS (under the DSM-4 or the ICD-10) do in fact have language problem - semantic-pragmatic impairment, for example, or speech that resembles formal thought disorder (or is formal thought disorder, I'm not sure which, but the consensus is that if you're autistic it's distinguished from schizophrenic FTD by being part of autism). Also, my understanding is that children diagnosed with AS tend to have more motor clumsiness than children diagnosed with autism. It is common enough that motor problems are a part of Gillberg criteria. Also, dyspraxia is a common comorbid.

Asperger's and thought disorder:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7559296

Asperger's and semantic-pragmatic impairment:

http://www.myaspergerschild.com/2009/08 ... matic.html

In developing the DSM-5 criteria, the team working on said criteria found that most people diagnosed with AS could not sustain a conversation, as per the DSM-IV autism criteria B2:

http://www.autreat.com/dsm4-autism.html

Asperger's and motor issues:

http://www.aspergersyndrome.org/Article ... iness.aspx

http://www.autism-help.org/comorbid-dys ... autism.htm

Her comment about significant differences between AS and autistic brains is interesting to me. I've seen the data and if I recall correctly, Aspies completely overlapped with autism (but there was more variance noted in autistic brains). If you did a venn diagram, you'd have a big circle showing autism and a smaller circle inside that circle showing AS. It would be more nearly accurate to say AS brains form a distinct subgroup within the category of autistic brains.

I think this is overly harsh and not actually accurate. Psychology has quite a history and a lot of it is not very scientific, I'll acknowledge. But the thing is that psychology can't be chemistry. It's not alchemy, either. That's a terrible analogy, as psychology and psychiatry actually have working methods, working medications, working therapeutic options beyond simply talk therapy. Psychology has moved well beyond Freud over the past decades and talking about it as if it hasn't moved forward at all is not accurate.



I only know of the one study and having seen the data (as I noted above) the differences are not really what they're touted as.

I have a question what is the difference between someone with dyspraxia someone who is clumsy or someone who just as a general physical delay or some other kind of physical problem?

Is it possible to have all 3 ?


I'm clumsy Took a very long time to learn the difference between left and right and still get confused about looking At mirror images.

But my muscles are also very stiff is a point where I cramps just writing or going though a pile of papers I become so used to it it doesn't even hurt me too much anymore but it's still like that feeling is there. Plus land of breaking things creasing them or ripping them my accident.

I can never keep up with someone when I'm walking even my mom and I have to quickstep to keep up with them if they don't end up slowing down for me and I could rarely if ever physically run and if I ever could you would be for a very short period of time and other things.

It's so ironic that I am very clumsy yet also have mostly very stiff muscles.

I think it's possible to have dyspraxia and another disorder that affects movement. I think if you have dyspraxia you are virtually guaranteed to be clumxy, although it means a lot of other things as well, such as those you described in your post.

It's also possible to have a movement disorder (such as autistic catatonia) which can manifest in a variety of ways and by itself wouldn't necessarily be clumsiness and to have it with dyspraxia.

That's pretty much the limit of what I know.

autistic catatonia? i've never heard of that before. off to Google

I think my evaluations mentioned something like Low Musule tone have to look that up when I get the chance to look over my evaluations again. But I think that's more of the symptom then a diagnosis.