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Who is more similar?
ADHD and ASD 44%  44%  [ 12 ]
ADHD and NT 56%  56%  [ 15 ]
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DevilKisses
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04 Apr 2014, 10:20 pm

People with ADHD and autistics or people with ADHD and NTs? Assuming that the people with ADHD do not fit the criteria for autism.


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04 Apr 2014, 10:28 pm

Why?



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04 Apr 2014, 11:09 pm

em_tsuj wrote:
Why?

Curiosity.


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04 Apr 2014, 11:49 pm

I think that people with severe ADHD can have similar experiences to someone with Asperger's with better social skills etc. and people with mild ADHD properly come off like a slightly hyper NT and perhaps in many peoples opinion that's what they are. It is a spectrum after all so I don't think the question has a simple yes/no answer.



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04 Apr 2014, 11:58 pm

I think/believe ADHD people getting along better with Aspies more than NT's, So maybe they have similar mentalities, I dunno, I do have a friend with ADHD and he like to talk alot and I can listen good and keep a conversation going with him better than most NT's



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05 Apr 2014, 5:10 am

ASD, ADHD and TOURETTE are often comorbids and as such related.


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05 Apr 2014, 6:28 am

http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/10/18 ... 60851.html

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Children with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) often exhibit autistic traits, which can lead to even greater problems with socialization, according to new research presented at the 26th European College of Neuropsychopharmacology (ECNP) Congress.

Previous research has shown that children with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) often also have a diagnosis of ADHD. This new study suggests that the reverse may also be true.

“Twin, family, and linkage studies indicate that [ADHD and ASDs] share a portion of their heritable etiology,” wrote the investigators.

“These findings raise the possibility that some children with ADHD may manifest symptoms of autism even in the absence of a full-fledged disorder,” they add.

The research, which involved 469 children, showed that significantly more of those with ADHD had autistic traits (ATs) compared with children without ADHD. Furthermore, the group with both ADHD and ATs had significantly more psychopathologic, neuropsychological and interpersonal deficits, as well as more emotional dysregulation.



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05 Apr 2014, 7:31 am

Which is more like white? The color blue, or the color red?

They are both equidistant from white, but in different directions.

That what your question is like.

And then there are individual cases when red comes in a pink tint, or the blue is either whitish- or the opposite ( or blackish shade). One person in one disorder might be more extreme than the individual of the other. And then there is purple ( a blend of blue and red- like there are folks dxd with both disorders).

Since you're so obsessed with doubting your diagnosis you ought to just go back to another specialist, spend the time and bucks, and just get retested. Whatever the result it should set your mind to rest.



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05 Apr 2014, 9:46 am

From my experience with only a tiny few people with ADHD, I would say NTs are more similar because I think I understood them more and could communicate better with them than to the people with ADHD I know of and met. But with such a low number of examples I don't think my answer has reliability. Any way, these ADHD people were very difficult, but then that was only two people I know of that have ADHD and interacted with.. I may have met many people with ADHD in my life and been unaware of it.

My dad has ADHD quite bad, and he is the most difficult person to talk to and be around in my life and the most impatient person I have ever met. He will get very grouchy and angry, and even start smacking me around over tiny trivial things. Another person I met was similar to my dad, but he also liked playing mind games. :x



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05 Apr 2014, 10:08 am

Oops I read the poll wrong, darnit. Sorry. I guess ASD and ADHD might be more similar because both are mental and behavior 'deviations'. But I don't feel anything similar to my dad though. We are so opposite, and he is so chaotic and moody and random and imprecise with things. I need so much more order and systemizing and exact details. He likes to generalize things broadly and roughly, and I catch him on technicalities and fallacies all over the place (and I am no logic master), and he has a hard time understanding the difference with his ambiguous loose thinking. That riles him up even more because he thinks I am just being rude and playing with him, but I am trying to show him a flaw in his arguments.



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06 Apr 2014, 9:04 pm

I consider people with ADHD neurotypical (non-autistic). Comparing ASD and ADHD is like comparing apples and oranges.



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07 Apr 2014, 5:15 am

I know that the ADHD kids in the teen forums I'm in seem to relate to me better and vice versa.



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07 Apr 2014, 5:24 am

em_tsuj wrote:
I consider people with ADHD neurotypical (non-autistic). Comparing ASD and ADHD is like comparing apples and oranges.


So what is the logic for determining that people with one neurodevelopmental disorder are NT while people with the other neurodevelopmental disorder are not?

It makes it sound like "neurodiversity" means "autistic" and neurotypical means "everyone else, even people with atypical neurologies other than autism" which makes the idea of neurodiversity a joke.



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07 Apr 2014, 5:47 am

I don't want to claim to understand a neurological condition that I don't have, have not studied intensely, and is not exhibited by 90%+ of the people I meet.

However, I do think it is easier for people with "mild" ADHD(/dyslexia/dyspraxia/dyscalculia...) in the situations autistic people struggle with. From the subjective view point of an autistic person, these people appear NT. In other situations, autistic people may appear NT to someone with ADHD.

Furthermore, I don't think people with ADHD or dyslexia are as marginalised by society as we are. These conditions are seen as variations within the acceptable "NT" range in a way that autism is not. However, this could be due to a lack of understanding of just how challenging living with these conditions can be. In particular, I'm not sure people are quite aware of how broad a spectrum ADHD is - it's probably comparable with autism.

So I don't think it is possible for me to answer this question for two reasons:
1) My perspective as an outsider with autism makes it hard for me to judge the degree to which ADHD people are outsiders
2) There is no one "ADHD person" and "autistic person". Both conditions are spectrums; the people at one end of each spectrum find it easier to "pass" as NT than those at the other end of the other spectrum.



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07 Apr 2014, 9:16 am

people with ADHD suffer from social issues due to their behaviors and how they are viewed in society.

people with ADHD stim.

people with ADHD have executive dysfunction issues.

people with ADHD can say the wrong things.

people with ADHD can have meltdowns.

people with ADHD can have sensory issues.

people with ADHD can have challenging behavior.

people with ADHD can have extremely poor short term memory problems and good long term memory;a common trait of ASD.


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07 Apr 2014, 9:40 am

^ what KOR said. I am both Autistic and ADHD. I LOVE hanging out with other AI, ADHDAnd mixes. I mean, we can have crazy fun with each other. And we don't even have to get drunk to do so.

Sometimes, I prefer the company of certain NT's to the type of Autistic person who is stiff, constantly correcting, and rarely cracks a smile.[ they cannot stand being around me either] That being said, I would trust even the "broomstick stuck up the butt" Autistic, over an NT that I can enjoy sspending time with.