regresive autism?
I don't understand your comment.
Are you being sarcastic and saying regressive autism is not a tragedy, or you are saying I think regressive autism is a tragedy, or you are criticizing me because you think I think regressive autism is a tragedy, or you really mean it is a tragedy or what else?
"Regression" in autistic children is actually far rarer and far less dramatic than it seems. The vast majority of autistic children never lose skills at all; they just fall behind their peers, either gradually, or seemingly suddenly when developmental demands increase. Those who do regress tend to have been unusual from the beginning--developmentally behind, with autistic traits, until finally they cannot hold on to all of those skills at once and start to lose them. This isn't an unusual response to stress--children who are not autistic, but who are hospitalized or lose a parent, etc., often lose skills and behave as though they were much younger.
It's not that autistic children are normal until they lose skills... it's that the parents can convince themselves that their autistic children are okay, until finally the world expects so much more of the child than the child can do, and at that point the parents realize their child needs help.
The stereotypical "he was normal until he lost all of his skills" type of autism is actually very rare, fewer than one in two hundred cases of autism. It is called "Childhood Disintegrative Disorder", and it is often found together with other brain disorders such as epilepsy and generalized intellectual disability.
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I read descriptions that the child had normal eye contact, spoke, interacted with other people and played with them, had reciprocate facial expression; and then they stop doing those things and stop responding to other people and start doing autistic things like stimming.
But how can this be?
I'm not a sarcastic person! I don't make light of things related to autism. Just because something's a tragedy doesn't mean it can't be resolved, and made into a victory.
I should try to find studies which address regressive autism. I've seen so many case studies of it. It seemed, in the 1950's, that it was the "only" form of autism.
When we are born, we are still "unfinished" so to speak, even to the point where infants' brains are very delicate and much more prone to injury than an adults (ie, shaken baby syndrome). For whatever reason that science hasn't been totally able to lock down on (there may be any number of contributing factors that can cause autism in a myriad number of combinations), symptoms of autism may not be evident until one's brain has reached a certain stage of development and begins to build upon a neurological structure that is not in tune with the development of a neurotypical brain in the same stage.
Parents who have said they," lost [their] child to autism" have been witnesses to this. Our brains are incredibly adaptable however, as the science of neuroplasticity has revealed, and has also been demonstrated in people such as Temple Grandin, a woman born with severe autism that, through intense cognitive and behavorial therapy as a child, was not "cured" of autism but was able to, for the most part, able to overcome some of its most socially debilitating mechanisms. Maybe this is also why some people on the spectrum see their symptoms lessen with age. We can change the way our brains function, to a certain degree, by the the way we think and act.
I'd also like to mention that early detection and immediate intervention is key to minimizing autism's developmental impact.
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We are not so different from potted plants in that, if given everything we need to be properly nourished, the outcome can be incredibly contrary to when we are not. A flower won't grow in flour, and neither can we.
Here is a definition of autism from the National Institute of Health:
Autism is a physical condition linked to abnormal biology and chemistry in the brain. The exact causes of these abnormalities remain unknown, but this is a very active area of research. There are probably a combination of factors that lead to autism.
Genetic factors seem to be important. For example, identical twins are much more likely than fraternal twins or siblings to both have autism. Similarly, language abnormalities are more common in relatives of autistic children. Chromosomal abnormalities and other nervous system (neurological) problems are also more common in families with autism.
A number of other possible causes have been suspected, but not proven. They involve:
Diet
Digestive tract changes
Mercury poisoning
The body's inability to properly use vitamins and minerals
Vaccine sensitivity
AUTISM AND VACCINES
Many parents are worried that some vaccines are not safe and may harm their baby or young child. They may ask their doctor or nurse to wait, or even refuse to have the vaccine. However, it is important to also think about the risks of not having the vaccination.
Some people believe that the small amount of mercury (called thimerosal) that is a common preservative in multidose vaccines causes autism or ADHD. However, studies have NOT shown this risk to be true.
The American Academy of Pediatrics, and The Institute of Medicine (IOM) agree that no vaccine or component of any vaccine is responsible for the number of children who are currently being diagnosed with autism. They conclude that the benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks.
All of the routine childhood vaccines are available in single-dose forms that do not contain added mercury.
There are parents who have seen their healthy normal children changed in 24hrs into basket cases and the only thing they experienced was a vaccination. These parents who know that their children were harmed by this are bullied by those who are supposed to provide care (their doctors) and those who supposedly support them (crackpots). People have looked into the technology of vaccinations and even the mercury that is used as a preservative in multi-dose shots.
However, what is not properly understood is that there is what is considered an "acceptable" level of side effects. I worked with a guy that contracted polio from a polio vaccine when he was a kid. He told me that a percentage of the money charged for the polio vaccine goes into a fund to pay those few children who get polio from the vaccine.
There are other side effects such as brain inflammation. Brain tissue can swell dramatically in reaction to a vaccination or infection and cause permanent damage. I suspect that if one were to find the cause of this infrequent, but real damage, it would be among those side effects that are considered "acceptable".
I read descriptions that the child had normal eye contact, spoke, interacted with other people and played with them, had reciprocate facial expression; and then they stop doing those things and stop responding to other people and start doing autistic things like stimming.
But how can this be?
Not to say that autistics don't lose skills. We do, especially under stress. Even Aspies. I've lost some of my executive functioning from when I was younger, so much so that I was asked, recently, at the disability services office, "Things have been getting harder for you, haven't they?" And this is someone who sees me maybe monthly. And to clarify, this wasn't during an episode of depression--it was just things "getting harder", as she said. I don't know why. Maybe I'm getting older. Maybe it's just that I'm trying to live on my own for real now, or maybe I'm trying to juggle more skills and it's getting shaky.
The losing-skills thing is not an all-at-once, dramatic event in early childhood--hardly ever, anyway. It's more of a tendency, part of the general atypical cognition. I wish I could pick some skills to drop, actually; I really feel like I've got too much crammed into my head right now.
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There are parents who have seen their healthy normal children changed in 24hrs into basket cases and the only thing they experienced was a vaccination. These parents who know that their children were harmed by this are bullied by those who are supposed to provide care (their doctors) and those who supposedly support them (crackpots). People have looked into the technology of vaccinations and even the mercury that is used as a preservative in multi-dose shots.
However, what is not properly understood is that there is what is considered an "acceptable" level of side effects. I worked with a guy that contracted polio from a polio vaccine when he was a kid. He told me that a percentage of the money charged for the polio vaccine goes into a fund to pay those few children who get polio from the vaccine.
There are other side effects such as brain inflammation. Brain tissue can swell dramatically in reaction to a vaccination or infection and cause permanent damage. I suspect that if one were to find the cause of this infrequent, but real damage, it would be among those side effects that are considered "acceptable".
This happened to me. Apparently I slept normally before the vaccine. After I got vaccinated I had sleeping problems for the rest of my life. The vaccination also gave me autistic symptoms and brain fog. I notice that when I get more healthy my brain fog and autistic symptoms get reduced. If NTs are PCs and autistics are macs I'm just a PC with a lot viruses. Luckily those viruses are disappearing.
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Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 124 of 200
You are very likely neurotypical
Autism is a physical condition linked to abnormal biology and chemistry in the brain. The exact causes of these abnormalities remain unknown, but this is a very active area of research. There are probably a combination of factors that lead to autism.
Genetic factors seem to be important. For example, identical twins are much more likely than fraternal twins or siblings to both have autism. Similarly, language abnormalities are more common in relatives of autistic children. Chromosomal abnormalities and other nervous system (neurological) problems are also more common in families with autism.
A number of other possible causes have been suspected, but not proven. They involve:
Diet
Digestive tract changes
Mercury poisoning
The body's inability to properly use vitamins and minerals
Vaccine sensitivity
AUTISM AND VACCINES
Many parents are worried that some vaccines are not safe and may harm their baby or young child. They may ask their doctor or nurse to wait, or even refuse to have the vaccine. However, it is important to also think about the risks of not having the vaccination.
Some people believe that the small amount of mercury (called thimerosal) that is a common preservative in multidose vaccines causes autism or ADHD. However, studies have NOT shown this risk to be true.
The American Academy of Pediatrics, and The Institute of Medicine (IOM) agree that no vaccine or component of any vaccine is responsible for the number of children who are currently being diagnosed with autism. They conclude that the benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks.
All of the routine childhood vaccines are available in single-dose forms that do not contain added mercury.
There are parents who have seen their healthy normal children changed in 24hrs into basket cases and the only thing they experienced was a vaccination. These parents who know that their children were harmed by this are bullied by those who are supposed to provide care (their doctors) and those who supposedly support them (crackpots). People have looked into the technology of vaccinations and even the mercury that is used as a preservative in multi-dose shots.
However, what is not properly understood is that there is what is considered an "acceptable" level of side effects. I worked with a guy that contracted polio from a polio vaccine when he was a kid. He told me that a percentage of the money charged for the polio vaccine goes into a fund to pay those few children who get polio from the vaccine.
There are other side effects such as brain inflammation. Brain tissue can swell dramatically in reaction to a vaccination or infection and cause permanent damage. I suspect that if one were to find the cause of this infrequent, but real damage, it would be among those side effects that are considered "acceptable".
Thank you, linatet, for making this thread. I have had this question for some time.
To timf regarding mercury in vaccines, this is the very topic I am going to be discussing next in my documentary thread, though more from the angle of brain function, meaning people mechanically swallowing various ideas from any angle.. Here is the message I made two days ago which contains a link to a video in which twenty minutes are spent in detailed discussion of mercury in vaccines and how the drug manufacturers suppressed certain relevant information and also that these studies, as you mention, did not look at cumulative effects of these vaccines, so, from this perspective, were a sham.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6014436.html#6014436
That subject is not over with yet, and a very good case is made for why it should not be. The problem is that once certain ideas get conditioned into the thinking of people in general, then that is sometimes kind of it, though I hope not in this case, as it is really horrifying.
Anyone who is interested, feel free to discuss in depth this topic of mercury in vaccines on my thread in relation to that video.
Also, a point has been made on this thread here that at a certain development stage a child may not be able to go over a certain bridge and so may lose language or other functions because of not being able to coordinate various accumulative developmental factors produces stress and/or just gets too complex or whatever, and this it does make a lot of sense, definitely, but I think there can be more to it.
And here is an interesting comment by a parent you may want to look at: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6009767.html#6009767 I wanted to reply to this message, but did not get around to it yet...
This comment from the National Institute Of Health is very carefully worded. It sounds like they are implying that some smaller number of children who are diagnosed with autism may have been affected by these vaccines, and that there may be some risks.
Here is a direct link to the video I will be talking about on my documentary thread.
Autism - Made in the U S A - Gary Null's Remarkable Document
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwuyxyBUmwY
The part about how data regarding these vaccine studies is is from 39.40 min in to 60 minutes.
Regressive ASD is this one subcategorial entity of autistic disorders that always stimulates a lot of apprehension amongst parents whilst observing their child's developmental phases, and it's been hypothesized outwith the mainstream media and scientific community by immunologists; biochemists, and alternative health practitioners to be predominantly induced by a environmental toxicants like polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs); heavy metals, formaldehyde, pesticides, Round up herbicide, poor dietary schemes, genetically engineered food, food additives, aspartame, and of course the most tedious and astringently contentious one of all, the chemicals preserved in vaccinations; which act as multifactorial influences on the genetic expression phenotype without any fluctuations of the DNA, and subsequently the child "develops" a postnatal regression which "descends his/herself into autism." The perspectives of skepticism movement and the conventional medical practice is that parents always attribute their child's regressive autism to vaccines such as the MMR because it's generally inoculated to children around typical stages of childhood development when one can experience the initial symptomatic aspects of regressive autism (18-24 months of age)
As for my reflections on Gary Null, I watched the alternative health guru's documentary two months ago and I found it very depressing because of the negative stereotypes it promoted that would simply not correspond to more medically healthy, intellectually able and physically adaptive people with autism; in other words, us aspergians and autists who are a genetic leap of evolution. As an autistic rights activist myself, I would formally advise anyone who advocates neurodiversity or the acceptance of autistic people (whether they are neurotypical, have Asperger's syndrome/HFA, or the low functioning autistics who may be nonverbal, but have at least normal intellectual ability and receptive linguistic comprehension) before watching this exorbitantly disconcerting documentary, because it is dedicated to the biomedical movement that firmly advocates complimentary and alternative treatments for children with autism. This methodology of treatment is often met with utmost denunciation by some adherents in the neurodiversity movement.
Some of the professionals who featured in this documentary like the geneticist Mark Geier have disreputable credentials, as he was notorious for innovating the rebarbative Lupron protocol, which is a now defunct intervention defined as the juxtaposition of chelation therapy and leuprolide on the emphasis of an unfounded "mercury testosterone" hypothesis, and a glutathione deficiency which occludes the conversion of two different chelating agents. These agents in turn subsequently subdues glutathione to an infinitesimal level, thus illustrating that leuprorelin can dramatically mitigate autism by lowering levels of mercury in the testosterone. As Leuprolide is a form of pharmaceutical castration, this can easily result in irrevocable damage to the sexual productive system. All of Geier's medical licenses have been revoked with the last one by the State Medical board of Hawaii last year.
Another solicitation of concern is my questioning of the motives of the Canary Party's chairman Mark Blaxill, not because he fervently advocates the "discredited" vaccine hypotheses, but he superciliously expresses a shockingly falsifiable and unfounded claim at the "1 in 88 Children: A Look Into the Federal Response to Rising Rates of Autism" committee on oversight & government reform conference of that the prevalence of autism was equivalent to zero prior to the introduction of the eythlmercury preservative thimerosal being implemented in childhood vaccines. I found that intellectually mendacious of Blaxill to discard the overlooked environmental factors and scientifically reputable genetic factors that can contribute to the autistic spectrum itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy2ZcYqk4Bk
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Aspie score: 199 out of 200
Neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 1 out of 200
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As for my reflections on Gary Null, I watched the alternative health guru's documentary two months ago and I found it very depressing because of the negative stereotypes it promoted that would simply not correspond to more medically healthy, intellectually able and physically adaptive people with autism; in other words, us aspergians and autists who are a genetic leap of evolution. As an autistic rights activist myself, I would formally advise anyone who advocates neurodiversity or the acceptance of autistic people (whether they are neurotypical or have Asperger's syndrome or HFA) before watching this exorbitantly disconcerting documentary, because it is dedicated to the biomedical movement that firmly advocates complimentary and alternative treatments for children with autism. This methodology of treatment is often met with utmost denunciation by some adherents in the neurodiversity movement.
Some of the professionals who featured in this documentary like the geneticist Mark Geier have disreputable credentials, as he was notorious for innovating the rebarbative Lupron protocol, which is a now defunct intervention defined as the juxtaposition of chelation therapy and leuprolide on the emphasis of an unfounded "mercury testosterone" hypothesis, and a glutathione deficiency which occludes the conversion of two different chelating agents. These agents in turn subsequently subdues glutathione to an infinitesimal level, thus illustrating that leuprorelin can dramatically mitigate autism by lowering levels of mercury in the testosterone. As Leuprolide is a form of pharmaceutical castration, this can easily result in irrevocable damage to the sexual productive system. All of Geier's medical licenses have been revoked with the last one by the State Medical board of Hawaii last year.
Another solicitation of concern is my questioning of the motives of the Canary Party's chairman Mark Blaxill, not because he fervently advocates the "discredited" vaccine hypotheses, but he superciliously expresses a shockingly falsifiable and unfounded claim at the "1 in 88 Children: A Look Into the Federal Response to Rising Rates of Autism" committee on oversight & government reform conference of that the prevalence of autism was equivalent to zero prior to the introduction of the eythlmercury preservative thimerosal being implemented in childhood vaccines. I found that intellectually mendacious of Blaxill to discard the overlooked environmental factors and scientifically reputable genetic factors that can contribute to the autistic spectrum itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy2ZcYqk4Bk
I don't think I am a genetic link in evolution but I exist something the people who made the documentary dispute. According to the doctor increased diagnosis and no older non verbal autistic adults proves 1. There is an epidemic. 2. He did not miss anybody in the 1980s. Only problem with that argument is that a majority of new diagnoses has been in the "higher functioning" areas of the spectrum so not only did he miss people in the 80's he still is missing people.
The good news according to the documentary is that with a combination of diet, hyperbaric chamber, taking out some metals is that I can be “recovered” from my non existent autism.
On a more serious note I fear with the latest CDC report we are at a tipping point. In my opinion if the cause of “regressive autism” is not conclusively found really soon we are going to have a large percentage of the population opting out of the vaccination program. When the CDC report came out with the large increase in diagnoses I read through hundreds of comments from readers. 60 to 70% were saying it’s the vaccines fault. As much as I mocked the documentary it was an effective piece of agitprop. No matter how true ‘’Maybe it would have happened anyway’’ or ‘’our studies says this can’t be true’’, and ‘’we don’t know” ‘’we think it is a combination of genetics with an environmental’’ can’t compete emotionally with parents seeing or thinking they see their kid regressing after a vaccine. Here in the states both big government and big business are not trusted and have earned that lack of trust.
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