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18 May 2014, 2:44 pm

I f*****g hate when people say that. To me it sounds very condescending. It's also a very poor argument.


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18 May 2014, 2:49 pm

My favorite one is "You're doing it wrong." Makes me think of that line in Mr. Mom. I think that is where it came from.


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18 May 2014, 3:22 pm

Some people want to help, after all, well meaning folk have been known to dry out their poodles in microwave ovens :roll:

Then again, us aspies take delight in 'thinking outside the box' which is why I use a toaster oven for surface mount soldering, but it's not supposed to be used like that, so I've been told.


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18 May 2014, 5:09 pm

I assumed that this phrase was used to show humility while questioning someone's idea...but maybe that's just the reason I use it.



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18 May 2014, 5:59 pm

Would you like it better if they called you a "dumb ass"?



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18 May 2014, 6:03 pm

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Would you like it better if they called you a "dumb ass"?

They basically are. They're basically saying "You have no idea how the world works you dumbass kid. I'm going to use gentle language with you because you can't handle the truth."


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18 May 2014, 6:07 pm

You have to find out "how it works," then shove it in your tormentors's face.



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18 May 2014, 6:37 pm

It means that they see that it is not working but they don't know exactly how to make ir work.



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18 May 2014, 6:38 pm

Yes it may sound condescending, but are THEY not allowed their opinion on how it works too? You might be right, but if they think you are wrong they are allowed to question you. That's how conversation works, and I'm glad people are using this phrase considering the alternatives. If you get your back up they will be less likely to listen to your case because they'll see it as immature.


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18 May 2014, 6:54 pm

AlienorAspie wrote:
Yes it may sound condescending, but are THEY not allowed their opinion on how it works too? You might be right, but if they think you are wrong they are allowed to question you. That's how conversation works, and I'm glad people are using this phrase considering the alternatives. If you get your back up they will be less likely to listen to your case because they'll see it as immature.

They never even tell me their opinion. All they do is dismiss mine without even trying to reason with me. I think most people that say that are too stupid to even understand my idea so they just dismiss it without even asking for clarification. They just assume my idea is worthless.


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18 May 2014, 7:14 pm

DevilKisses wrote:
AlienorAspie wrote:
Yes it may sound condescending, but are THEY not allowed their opinion on how it works too? You might be right, but if they think you are wrong they are allowed to question you. That's how conversation works, and I'm glad people are using this phrase considering the alternatives. If you get your back up they will be less likely to listen to your case because they'll see it as immature.

They never even tell me their opinion. All they do is dismiss mine without even trying to reason with me. I think most people that say that are too stupid to even understand my idea so they just dismiss it without even asking for clarification. They just assume my idea is worthless.


In that case I know what you mean! I treat every conversation as a debate, but I now try to remember that it is as frustrating/exhausting for them to engage in debate as it is for me not to. Try to find a way of putting across your ideas in a different way so that they don't dismiss them as much, even if it means totally watering down the idea so that it is more like what they believe is true. I try to do this but it is too difficult when they are just closed off completely to anything beyond their comfort zone :/

Also, I sometimes later realise I am often the one in the wrong, because I've said something without really thinking about how it is worded (which can be very important to the meaning) or I've forgotten something obvious I should have considered. Just a point that maybe sometimes they're right in some way.


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18 May 2014, 9:08 pm

DevilKisses wrote:
I f***ing hate when people say that. To me it sounds very condescending. It's also a very poor argument.


It is a poor argument to suggest that abstract thinking makes religious people crazy.

I wasn't condescending to you. I disagreed with you.



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18 May 2014, 9:14 pm

DevilKisses wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Would you like it better if they called you a "dumb ass"?

They basically are. They're basically saying "You have no idea how the world works you dumbass kid. I'm going to use gentle language with you because you can't handle the truth."


No, it meant "I don't think this is how that works."

Literally the words I used. Not whatever interpretation you're appending to them that you find offensive. I am sorry that I offended you, but that's not what I was trying to do.



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18 May 2014, 9:25 pm

Verdandi wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
I f***ing hate when people say that. To me it sounds very condescending. It's also a very poor argument.


It is a poor argument to suggest that abstract thinking makes religious people crazy.

I wasn't condescending to you. I disagreed with you.

I wasn't saying that abstract thinking makes religious people crazy. I was saying that describing abstract concepts is very difficult for most people.

All religions are basically attempting to describe an abstract concept. Since it's difficult to communicate abstract concepts it can lead to a lot of miscommunication.

Since religious stuff is very abstract it's obvious that there will be a lot of miscommunication and misinterpretation. A lot of religious people interpret the bible(or whatever book they have) in a crazy way and end up having crazy beliefs. Since the bible isn't that concrete it's very hard to prove or disprove their interpretation with logic.

Sorry if this makes no sense.


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18 May 2014, 9:32 pm

DevilKisses wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
I f***ing hate when people say that. To me it sounds very condescending. It's also a very poor argument.


It is a poor argument to suggest that abstract thinking makes religious people crazy.

I wasn't condescending to you. I disagreed with you.

I wasn't saying that abstract thinking makes religious people crazy. I was saying that describing abstract concepts is very difficult for most people.

All religions are basically attempting to describe an abstract concept. Since it's difficult to communicate abstract concepts it can lead to a lot of miscommunication.

Since religious stuff is very abstract it's obvious that there will be a lot of miscommunication and misinterpretation. A lot of religious people interpret the bible(or whatever book they have) in a crazy way and end up having crazy beliefs. Since the bible isn't that concrete it's very hard to prove or disprove their interpretation with logic.

Sorry if this makes no sense.


No, that makes a lot of sense. I don't disagree.

I am sorry that my response was offensive to you - I wasn't trying to be.



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18 May 2014, 9:36 pm

Also for defensiveness here.

My communication ain't perfect.