Is it possible to be have Asperger's and NPD?

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Abcrone
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07 Jun 2014, 9:04 am

I'm watching this video on youtube at the moment and this person presenting the content in the video keeps saying that a well known Aspie also has NPD.

I had read previously on this site somewhere people saying that it's not possible to have both but I'm not sure if they were right or wrong.

So does anyone have the right answer, Is it possible to be have Asperger's and Narcissistic personality disorder?



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07 Jun 2014, 9:15 am

I'm no professional but yes I do believe it is very possible


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07 Jun 2014, 9:18 am

I don't see why not, I suppose because Asperger's can sometimes look like narcissism people may be wary of diagnosing both in someone.



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07 Jun 2014, 9:20 am

I should note however only a p erfesional should determine this and would be wrong to state this about someone after watching thier YouTube channel


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07 Jun 2014, 9:28 am

ASdogGeek wrote:
I should note however only a p erfesional should determine this and would be wrong to state this about someone after watching thier YouTube channel



do you think there are any professionals here who will comment on this now? lol



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07 Jun 2014, 9:30 am

Hmmm I'm not sure..... Comment maybe yes how ever they wouldn't diagnose the person just based off of the videas


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07 Jun 2014, 3:15 pm

I'm sure that Asperger's can look like NPD certainly, and I don't see why someone can't have both, but I haven't read anywhere what the reason for that suspicion/conclusion is yet.


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07 Jun 2014, 4:15 pm

I don't know if I have the "right answer," but based on long, painful personal experience, I say: no. I do not believe it is possible for a person to be on the autism spectrum, and also have NPD.

My father is a full-blown NPD. I watched his descent into ever-more vicious madness over a period of 20 years, before I cut off all contact about 10 years ago. A book by Sam Vaknin, who himself has NPD, describes exactly how the NPD mind works. My father could have written it. It is striking how little individuality people with personality disorders have. As if they are all reading off the same script.

My BF, a guy I have known for 18 years, is on the spectrum. So was my grandfather. They are both good men - misunderstood men - who I love very much. To me, the contrast with NPD could not be more stark. There are moments when a statement or a behavior or a decision appears narcissistic, but any similarities are purely superficial. The thought processes behind them are completely different, and the long-term behavioral patterns do not match at all.

The reason I do not think Aspies can truly have NPD is because the neurological components necessary for it are missing. NPD requires full executive functioning, astute mind-reading capabilities, and highly developed emotional, social, and verbal skills. All of these are essential for manipulating and exploiting others to obtain narcissistic supply, i.e., emotional, psychological, or material gratification. That is their only concern, every minute of every day, which is spent plotting and scheming and avoiding any responsibilities or constraints. It warps their minds and makes them sadistic and diabolically evil, as well as boring and predictable (once you know that's what you're dealing with). Above all, NPDs absolutely require and depend on the presence of other people. They behave like locusts: they use people up, alienate or discard them, then go find another one.

With such different neurological architecture, it is hard for me to imagine how this could take root or develop in an autistic mind. (Thank goodness!) :D



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07 Jun 2014, 4:31 pm

NPD ia a personality disorder, Aspergers is a developmental disorder.
It is entirely possible to have NPD and Aspergers.
Having an ASD does not define your personality. Indeed, it can help shape it. But it does not define your personality.
NPD is an extreme form of some personality traits that happen to be residing in one person.



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07 Jun 2014, 4:38 pm

AS may not dominate or define a personality, but NPD does. It is a psychiatric condition that requires NT neurological wiring.



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07 Jun 2014, 5:22 pm

I think at the mildest end of the spectrum autistics can have a whole bunch of psychotic disturbances, to say the least, due to social pressure. It inculdes NPD. Fewer traits can be expected as you move towards the more severe end of the spectrum, due to the reasons waitykatie mentioned. I see in myself and people around me traits of NPD, schizophrenia-spectrum, borderline PD, bipolar (my sister even dx'd with it). Among the "quieter" ones depression, anxiety, over-sensitivity, OCD. The most disturbing trait of all to me is antisocial, this trait can be found in some of the above PDs, including NPD, imo.


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07 Jun 2014, 7:35 pm

RedEnigma wrote:
NPD ia a personality disorder, Aspergers is a developmental disorder.
It is entirely possible to have NPD and Aspergers.
Having an ASD does not define your personality. Indeed, it can help shape it. But it does not define your personality.
NPD is an extreme form of some personality traits that happen to be residing in one person.


Asperger's is a different type of brain. There is a NT disorder out there, I know it. It incorporates arrogance towards any other neurological life form. :wink: NO it is not possible to have both, cuz to be a full fledged NPD guy, you need to be able to switch between social impairment and agility back and forth willfully. You can still have one of several forms of NPS, be a narcisisstic aspie. Those wimpy conformistic aspies should grow a pair, you cannot evolve if you don't abolish kissing someone's ass. :twisted:



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07 Jun 2014, 7:35 pm

RedEnigma wrote:
NPD ia a personality disorder, Aspergers is a developmental disorder.
It is entirely possible to have NPD and Aspergers.
Having an ASD does not define your personality. Indeed, it can help shape it. But it does not define your personality.
NPD is an extreme form of some personality traits that happen to be residing in one person.


Asperger's is a different type of brain. There is a NT disorder out there, I know it. It incorporates arrogance towards any other neurological life form. :wink: NO it is not possible to have both, cuz to be a full fledged NPD guy, you need to be able to switch between social impairment and agility back and forth willfully. You can still have one of several forms of NPS, be a narcisisstic aspie. Those wimpy conformistic aspies should grow a pair, you cannot evolve if you don't abolish kissing someone's ass. :twisted:



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07 Jun 2014, 9:00 pm

No


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07 Jun 2014, 9:01 pm

No


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07 Jun 2014, 9:47 pm

There have been accounts from members here describing family members with both AS and NPD, though many in this thread say otherwise.

The claims suggesting it's not possible seem to only be based on theory, rather than actual experience, like that of the other members (unless they were lying, which is doubtful). If I had to make a choice I'd therefore say yes, it is possible. Maybe it is less likely, but I have not seen any factual information supporting that.


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