Is this an example of a social cognition problem?

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18 Jun 2014, 7:37 pm

I hardly ever go to the doctor, I mean have only been a handful of times in the last 15+ years so I'm not really familiar with how they do things these days. I didn't know they expect you to pay first now before you see the doctor. I just remember all the times I was growing up, that you paid after you saw the doctor.

The girl behind the counter was telling me how much it was going to be, and I thought she was just informing me so I would know the amount. Until my mom finally snapped at me that I needed to go up and pay.

Later my mom said, the way the girl kept saying what the amount was should have clued me in, and she was just watching me wondering if I was ever going to catch on. I really had no idea. I said, why didn't the girl just tell me, "You have to pay now." Am I supposed to be a mind reader? Or is this really something other people just figure out without having to be told?

Is this an example of what it means to have a social cognition problem?



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18 Jun 2014, 7:45 pm

No, I don't think this is an example of a "social cognition problem." What occurred was owing to your inexperience in present-day procedures. The receptionist should have informed you (nicely, of course) that you have to pay in advance immediately after you didn't pay in advance.

Possibly, you should have picked up the tone of the receptionist's voice--but this is not a social gathering, this is a doctor's office, where one is expected not to have to pick up on subtle nuances.

I'm sure, had this been a social gathering, that you would have known that you must discern subtle nuances.



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18 Jun 2014, 8:19 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm sure, had this been a social gathering, that you would have known that you must discern subtle nuances.


No I most likely wouldn't, I am way worse at it in that kind of situation.



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18 Jun 2014, 8:24 pm

I wish I knew you in person--maybe you're not as bad as you think. Maybe your mother's putting thoughts in your head, like my mother's always putting thoughts in my head--that I'm a social freak or something.

As long as you do your job well, make enough money, satisfy your customers, you're all right by me. You don't have to be this hypersocial butterfly. All have to have to do is pay taxes and die, and not purposely offend anybody.



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18 Jun 2014, 8:25 pm

dianthus wrote:
Am I supposed to be a mind reader? Or is this really something other people just figure out without having to be told?

Is this an example of what it means to have a social cognition problem?


Strangely, yes it is. The reason I say "strangely" is because I believe that not being able to read people's minds should not be a problem. People being able to read people's minds is what should be far more suspicious.


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18 Jun 2014, 8:33 pm

dianthus wrote:
I hardly ever go to the doctor, I mean have only been a handful of times in the last 15+ years so I'm not really familiar with how they do things these days. I didn't know they expect you to pay first now before you see the doctor. I just remember all the times I was growing up, that you paid after you saw the doctor.

The girl behind the counter was telling me how much it was going to be, and I thought she was just informing me so I would know the amount. Until my mom finally snapped at me that I needed to go up and pay.

Later my mom said, the way the girl kept saying what the amount was should have clued me in, and she was just watching me wondering if I was ever going to catch on. I really had no idea. I said, why didn't the girl just tell me, "You have to pay now." Am I supposed to be a mind reader? Or is this really something other people just figure out without having to be told?

Is this an example of what it means to have a social cognition problem?



I find it odd they wouldn't tell you. My husband has always been informed and so have I.


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18 Jun 2014, 8:43 pm

dianthus wrote:
Is this an example of what it means to have a social cognition problem?


Yes. The same thing has happened to me, but I picked up on the expectation that I pay up front.



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18 Jun 2014, 9:36 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I wish I knew you in person--maybe you're not as bad as you think. Maybe your mother's putting thoughts in your head, like my mother's always putting thoughts in my head--that I'm a social freak or something.

As long as you do your job well, make enough money, satisfy your customers, you're all right by me. You don't have to be this hypersocial butterfly. All have to have to do is pay taxes and die, and not purposely offend anybody.


Yes my mother does have a way of doing that. Well I'm not asking whether it's all right or not...really all my life I have thought it is other people who have a problem communicating, not me, and I'm still sort of inclined to think that way. I mean she could have said something like, "and how would you like to pay for that today?" to clue me in.

I'm just trying to figure out whether or not this is a sign of having autism.



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18 Jun 2014, 9:53 pm

I don't sense, in this case, that it is a sign of autism.

I've seen NT's be even more oblivious than you.



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18 Jun 2014, 10:39 pm

I think in cases like this they do not tell explicitly because if a client did know he was supposed to pay (and waited for some other reason), he might take offense as if they thought he was stupid.

Anyway, I think if you say sorry and explain that last time you had to pay at the end, that should be completely fine.


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19 Jun 2014, 2:45 am

No, but it is an example of "getting your wires crossed". You and she simply had a different understanding of the same situation.



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19 Jun 2014, 7:34 am

dianthus wrote:
I hardly ever go to the doctor, I mean have only been a handful of times in the last 15+ years so I'm not really familiar with how they do things these days. I didn't know they expect you to pay first now before you see the doctor. I just remember all the times I was growing up, that you paid after you saw the doctor.


I'm just shocked that they actually expect you to pay for medical care. I know other countries do that, but in Canada, medical care is something every citizen is entitled to get for free. I just can't see how a country can call themselves civilized and expect people to pay for medical care. It's not like you can predict or choose when you'll get sick, and the consequences of not being able to pay are extremely dire.

I know, off topic, sorry. It just shocks me whenever I hear about people actually paying for medical care. To me, it's like having to pay money to use the bathroom.



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19 Jun 2014, 7:46 am

Ettina, I'm from the US, and I feel precisely the same way you do.



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19 Jun 2014, 9:57 am

With regard to the scenario in the op, I think what went wrong is typical of people with autism. When I go anywhere like that (professional offices trigger panic) I rely heavily on planning and routine. The communication error occured because what she said was unexpected and strayed from the routine. Maintining the expected routine distracted you from her behaviour. Anyway that's my 2 cents.



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19 Jun 2014, 10:16 am

This can be a sort of no-win situation, depending on the office staff person.

I have been in the same situation and thought, "does this mean that I should pay now?" and asked... and been told that I would be expected to pay after the visit, or immediately, but always with the suggestion that I should somehow magically just know what the procedure was.

I find the best approach is to be friendly and just ask a lot of questions:

Do I pay you know? Where do I go next? Is there anything I should do to prepare? How do I schedule a follow-up? etc. Sometimes they look at me like I am doing something off, but it's better to have answers than leave something undone or miss the point about paying, or whatever.

My ability to do this varies from day to day. If the appointment is on a good day, then it's easy. On a bad day I might have a hard time asking the right questions and they might have to tell me I need to pay.



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19 Jun 2014, 7:52 pm

Ann2011 wrote:
With regard to the scenario in the op, I think what went wrong is typical of people with autism. When I go anywhere like that (professional offices trigger panic) I rely heavily on planning and routine. The communication error occured because what she said was unexpected and strayed from the routine. Maintining the expected routine distracted you from her behaviour. Anyway that's my 2 cents.


Yeah I think that is what happened. I didn't catch on because it was unexpected.

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I have been in the same situation and thought, "does this mean that I should pay now?" and asked... and been told that I would be expected to pay after the visit, or immediately, but always with the suggestion that I should somehow magically just know what the procedure was.


It didn't even occur to me that I should go ahead and pay. Yeah I noticed they have an attitude in doctors' offices, that you should just know what you are supposed to do without being told. That's a huge part of why I hate going and avoid it.

I have a lot of trouble figuring things out in restaurants too, especially casual places that have take out counter, I never know if I'm supposed to seat myself or go up to the counter to order first.

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I'm just shocked that they actually expect you to pay for medical care.


Yeah, it's horrible, but I guess we are all so beat down into submission in this country that we just accept it.

What gets me though is what a rip off it is. The "care" you get from the average doctor here is not worth a fraction of what you have to pay for it. Even if it was free, the system still wouldn't be very useful.