What if the 2 lived on 2 seperate planets.

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What if people with autism, and people who are NT lived on 2 different planets that were like earth?
I know there are many people with autism, but I think people with autism understand autistic people better than NTs understand autistic people because NTs don't know how they have autism.
I think the autistic planet would thrive better because there wouldn't be a basis for stigmatizing, calling someone a ret*d, etc. where NT has their issues, such as having instincts to do destructive things, conforming to our controlling government. I think AS does it better.

Let me know your opinion.

I don't agree, AS or not AS humans are a pretty crappy race, I think the world would be better off without humans as a whole


I am pretty sure autistic people can stigmatise as well.

I think you are basing this from generalisations of both autistic and NT people.

in a way although conforming is seen as a negative thing, there does need to be a degree of conforming for any society to work I think

I agree.

I think the 'wrong planet syndrome' analogy that we just don't fit into this world, and implied that we would fit in in a world of similar people is flawed. somethings might be easier and less confusing, but speaking personally I need to be treated very carefully and yet can be very blunt with other people, I'm very aware of my own sensitivities but sometimes completely blind to how I impact on others. A world with lots of people like that would be very dysfunctional. I need normal people.

Good opinions. I kinda need normal people too. I just hate ignorant people I have to deal with on a daily basis.

Yeah. If we could just mail all the willfully ignorant people off to another planet somewhere, I think we'd all be happier. And much less populated.

Still, there's a difference between "ignorant because I haven't got a clue" and "ignorant because I don't care". The first sort can be educated; the second sort are best avoided.

I don't think that AS and NT are better off separate, though. I think we need each other. The NTs can use our unusual way of thinking and we can use their networking ability. Diversity, if successfully used, is strength.

there are many of us who are elsewhere on the spectrum [classic autism, PDDNOS/atypical, CDD etc] ,so theres no possibility of a split between NT and AS, a split between NT and ASD however is different.

however,those of us who are reliant on care staff woud not be able to live on such a split;we relie on NTs to support us in our daily lives.

as for the idea that autistics are less abusive,that isnt true;the word 'ret*d' is flung around WP regulary to call someone NT an idiot;those of us diagnosed with intelectual disability are not idiots and we dont deserve to be compared to people who have been behaving like diks or something else the poster doesnt like.
just because someone has a tougher life doesnt mean theyre going to be well behaved and open minded.

I think people like to dream about living in an all-autistic world because it implies finally no longer being part of a stigmatized minority.

Maybe what they mean when they say "a planet for autistic people only", they mean (emotionally), "a planet where we're accepted".

To be honest, it doesn't matter what you're diagnosed with, you're still a person underneath. Yes, people with ASD are more likely to understand each others limitations and triggers, but beneath the diagnosis is still a unique individual. I might hit up a friend with ASD and talk for hours about our interests and get along great while another ASD might have conflicting views and we might not enjoy being around each other. So I don't think segregation is going to help anyone out in the long run, just cause more misunderstanding which will further divide people.

Honestly, I think the reason that NT people consider Autism a stigma is because of a lack of understanding. Heck, when I was diagnosed, none of my chosen few knew exactly what it meant. My boss had a general idea but still had no idea what it meant overall. My sister even got into an argument with me about how I'm "not Autistic" because of the signs the media paints Autism in "don't apply to me" (to which I told her she was grossly misinformed and told her to research it more). Out of all the NT family and friends I told, only one truly knew what the triggers were and that was because she has a masters in Psychology. And it's hard because, being Autistic, I can't always tell people what the signs and triggers are. I can't always say "Hey, quit whistling cause it's causing sensory overload" or explain to them why I keep looking at my watch every two seconds. It's tough but in the long run it'd be better just to educate NTs more about the real signs of Autism rather than say "Don't cross this line".

I agree.
I think that after some time away from the effects of the hive-mind that autistics would stop emulating it themselves because there would be no need to anymore.
I think that would fee up brain power to get to the business of doing truly remarkable things instead of obsessing over what other people think.

I'm going to disagree based on what I've researched and read on this forum:

+ Autistic individuals have just as much potential as an NT to be destructive and to stigmatize/insult others (forum anecdotes especially show this).
+ Various autistic thinking styles have proved incredibly valuable.
+ A total autistic society would not function without NTs.

I could write a lot more, but I don't really feel the need to force an opinion.

I know what a NT dominated planet is like. But can anyone really predict what an 'Autisic Only' planet might be like?

There are so many neurodiversities other than NTs and Autistics. Be a bit like saying having 2 countries in the world and English-speaking people in one country and all French-speaking people are in the other, without thinking about Spanish, German, Polish and so on.

Hmmm... I think that it would be exactly like this planet, except that NTs would serve as autistics do on this planet. Thoughts?

But seriously, I know some pretty cool NT people (my siblings and my friends) so life without them would be rather hollow and unimaginable...

Does anyone think an AS world could actually work quite well, but could be very different from what we have now? As in living as hunter-gatherers in small tribes? Modern society is only capable with extreme sociality--just think how much knowledge we gain from other people (basically everything we know is collective knowledge). Would an AS world have nations? States? Cities? Wars? Even governments? Would small social groups be favored over large ones? Have I been reading about the Neandtheral/AS theory a bit too much and this idea sounds preposterous? I apologize if this post is offensive to anyone--I'm just having fun thinking about it.

I don't intend to sound brash but you have to account for the true nature of the transaction occurring:

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If the NT world has NTs from all scopes of life, of all varying characteristics, such that they are now, then it must be the same for the autistic world.
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With that in mind, here are two potential benefits:

+ A relatively vast amount of savants would be present.
+ There may be a general reduction in severity of social/communicative barriers.

Here are two potential flaws:

+ Approximately 70% of autistic individuals are also diagnosed with mental retardation.
+ Differences concerning personal sensory sensitivities (hyper/hypo-sensitivity) would be very difficult to navigate.


So long as the transaction is as it must be, it doesn't seem possible to me. The thought sparks in my mind an autism evolution theory that some people have, where only the highest functioning end of the spectrum is considered.