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31 May 2015, 12:38 pm

I'm a biology major, specifically in botany, but biology in general is very interesting to me, especially the interaction of genes and environment. If you have any knowledge of evolution you may know what a niche is. If not, it is simply an environment/lifestyle/diet and organism is suited for.

Humans live all over the globe and there are many niches available to us, although it seems we just make our own. I have read that we are not specialized to any specific environment, but I sometimes question this. It seems the shoreline hunter/gatherer diet is the best for a long healthy life: nuts, fruits, fish, etc. It also seems that many on the autism spectrum are naturally drawn towards habits that seem like hunter/gather traits. In the modern world, living in such a way would be difficult. One can't just go hunting/gathering anywhere due to laws or destruction of natural areas.

I'm just curious if anyone else thinks autism is just a normal variety of human.



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31 May 2015, 12:47 pm

Yeah, that's what I tell myself from time to time!



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31 May 2015, 2:17 pm

If by "autism" you mean the broad autism phenotype traits of having a fondness for consistancy and predictability and being introverted and relatively untalkative, yes, those are all fairly normal. Some of the traits individually are even pretty common.

But if you mean the problems people diagnosed with ASDs have more often than the general population, such as debilitating sensory issues, emotional difficulty with starting or switching tasks, difficulty with executive functions, poor motor control, and difficulty communicating with others, no, I don't think any of that is normal. If a hunter-gatherer had those problems, they'd probably die, or survive mainly on the gifts of others.

Although a lot of those problems are exacerbated by the modern developed lifestyle, so it's possible that the same person who has those problems in our society wouldn't have them so bad if they were a hunter-gatherer (I don't mean that the problem wouldn't matter as much, but literally that they'd have the problem less).


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31 May 2015, 2:57 pm

Cyllya1 wrote:
[...]debilitating sensory issues, emotional difficulty with starting or switching tasks, difficulty with executive functions, poor motor control, and difficulty communicating with others, no, I don't think any of that is normal. If a hunter-gatherer had those problems, they'd probably die, or survive mainly on the gifts of others.

Now don't get me wrong, I agree completely with what you're saying. I see a lot of people here consider autism an advantage, which it's not.

But couldn't some autism features be of advantage in hunting? Hyper sensitivity to sound would allow you to be more wary of your surrounding animals, making you better to locating both threats and opportunities for prey.

But the others, yeah. It would make you weaker as a hunter. Could be a good lookout though.



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31 May 2015, 5:19 pm

Cyllya1 wrote:
Although a lot of those problems are exacerbated by the modern developed lifestyle, so it's possible that the same person who has those problems in our society wouldn't have them so bad if they were a hunter-gatherer (I don't mean that the problem wouldn't matter as much, but literally that they'd have the problem less).


To me, all those troublesome autistic features are problems only in the modern society. Those features wouldn't even exist or wouldn't be problems 20000 years ago.



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31 May 2015, 5:34 pm

autism is normal in the sense that almost no one gets through life without some difficulties.



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31 May 2015, 5:44 pm

No, autism is not normal. The very defition of disorder is, "unusual, irregular, abnormal".



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31 May 2015, 5:48 pm

30400v wrote:
Cyllya1 wrote:
Although a lot of those problems are exacerbated by the modern developed lifestyle, so it's possible that the same person who has those problems in our society wouldn't have them so bad if they were a hunter-gatherer (I don't mean that the problem wouldn't matter as much, but literally that they'd have the problem less).


To me, all those troublesome autistic features are problems only in the modern society. Those features wouldn't even exist or wouldn't be problems 20000 years ago.


I concur. I live near BLM land and go hiking, fishing, and when I was younger hunting on said land. I've never had sensory issues in the wild, at least not debilitating issues. No bright flashing lights, loud sounds, etc. It's like heaven.



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31 May 2015, 5:50 pm

Breaking Enigma wrote:
No, autism is not normal. The very defition of disorder is, "unusual, irregular, abnormal".

You'd have to define normal first, and good luck with that.



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31 May 2015, 6:15 pm

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31 May 2015, 6:16 pm

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31 May 2015, 6:25 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
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No, autism is not normal. The very defition of disorder is, "unusual, irregular, abnormal".

You'd have to define normal first, and good luck with that.

It's not complicated. Normal clearly seems to be the way the other 99% of the population is able to function in day to day life. There's nothing philosophical or deep about it. We make up an extreme minority of the human race and are diagnosed for a reason.



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31 May 2015, 6:47 pm

Breaking Enigma wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Breaking Enigma wrote:
No, autism is not normal. The very defition of disorder is, "unusual, irregular, abnormal".

You'd have to define normal first, and good luck with that.

It's not complicated. Normal clearly seems to be the way the other 99% of the population is able to function in day to day life. There's nothing philosophical or deep about it. We make up an extreme minority of the human race and are diagnosed for a reason.

Actually no, it is philosophical at it's core-- all thought is. Even your assumption that 99% of the population functions the same comes from a philosophical standpoint. That being said, since you're so confident you know what normal functioning is write it down so we're working on the same definition, at the very least.



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01 Jun 2015, 5:24 am

Biologically? Yes. Just like having your own parts of your own body. It's something innate... It can be inherited, yes. But there's a lot of cases where autistics are autistics when there's no family records regarding to it.
Also by Neurologically? Yes. As is, you have to be born with it. You can't "catch" it.

Environmentally? I wonder if a born NT was raised autistic, or treated like an autistic, or at least mimic autistics, what would become of the born NT?... I don't know. :( Yet certainly if an autistic were to act, raised, and disciplined as NT with or without knowing his/her true nature, that would be learning a second language that might take most of their lifetime... Or never. And still considered an autistic by biological means, even when integrated with the NT culture; especially if it's against the autistic's will to act NT...

Socially? In this current Era: No... Because by any means, from an autistic point of view, that the neurotypical norm is a foreign thing; same goes with reverse. The main reason why it's called 'abnormal' it's because the autistics are minority, and the NT expects the invisible minority to act alike the majority...
And I mean by current 'Era', the social norm can, and HAD change, and WILL change: For better or for worse.

Racially? There is no such thing.
Culturally? Autism is it's own class... As it's not picky in whatever culture and/or social standing a person is born into.


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