The Secret Code Of Smalltalk...
I am not really sure what it is except that I find it more of a strange thing.
Example.
Why are they asking me how I am when they asked the same thing yesterday and the time I saw them before that. "Do I have something wrong with me that I could deteriate that quickly? And if I did I would not be standing there talking to you!" is what I sometimes am thinking.
Once I got so fed up of every time I met someone they would talk about the weather. Why? So ok. If the weather interests them I had better make an effort (As my Mum sometimes stops me in a conversation and says "You're supposed to let the other person talk. Let them talk about what they are interested in". "But Mum, I don't know anything about horses" (Which I accidently said while my neighbour who kept horses was standing there right by me. Oops!).
So, the weather.... I made an effort, which isn't easy as it takes me several "Takes" to learn something if I'm not interested in it, so anyway. I gave myself a crash course of learning the different clouds and when they are formed and what weather one is likely to see etc. So I learnt enough details that I can be prepared to engauge in a conversation with one of the local experts, as most local people have the weather as their special interest... Or so I thought!
Uhmm. Going by the next conversation I had with someone it became plain that I was missing something. We met and the other person started to talk about the weather so I happily took it to the next level and the other persons mouth opened in dissbelief. I thought "Oh. They must be shocked I can happily talk about their special interest?", but the more I continued talking about the weather with them and the smaller details, it became plain that something wasn't right as this person was not only in shock, but wanting to end the conversation and move on with their day, and it dawned on me that this person knew nothing about the weather! Then why is it that for every time we met they come out with the weather? I just don't get it!! !
Another classic example of the "How are you" scinario is that I often used to get the same sort of reaction when I would examine myself from head to toes to give them an accurate account. I did find it getting a bit tiresome to do and the other person would look at me daft with that mouth open look and wanting to try to cut the conversation short type of thing which ended up with me thinking "What is wrong with people these days?"
So it quickly became apparent that for me to get to grips with this small talk which I don't even know what it means, I needed to study those who do it.
So I started watching and listening to when they met with others and what they said. "Grr!" I got the impression they didn't like this either! Why do they say their "Weather" conversations are private? It there some sort of top secret thing about the weather... A bit like the "Hows your father?" secret masonic greeting with a handshake? There must be more to this then meets the eye! (Actually yes. As eyes are visual and conversations are based on sound).
But anyway. I am still trying to crack the code here about these secretive greetings... As the ones I have overheard never seem to contain any information worth protecting. It could be that my neighbours are spies but I need to gather some more information as the jigsaw pieces don't fit!
Agent Goat signing out.
Next mission... To gather more information without being seen... Not easy. Need a disguise to get up close... Oh noo. Can't get close! The virus... Cough, cough... Oops!
Yep. No doubt about it.
You don't need to get the diagnosis. You definitely ARE what used to be called "aspergers". Definitely on the autism spectrum.
I stopped about a third of the way through your piece - was laughing too much to read on.
Only an aspie would respond to folks talking about the weather by...by PREPARING for it in advance...by....researching meteorology!
Talking about the weather (unless you are meteorologist talking shop with collegues) is -what you're talking about- small talk. Its talking about nothing. Folks talk just to make conversation and to bond. that's the definition of "small talk" And the reason they pick weather as a topic to do that with is precicely because it doesn't take knowledge - rain and sunlight just fall on everyone -so even a child can talk about it. So if you PUT knowledge into the topic( by studying up on it)- you're just defeating the whole point of talking about the weather. I ofcourse mean "talking about the weather" they way its usualy done. Just to make conversation.
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How are you, by the way? Beautiful weather we’re having lately!
Hahahahaha!
You don't need to get the diagnosis. You are definitely ARE what used to be called "aspergers". Definitely on the autism spectrum.
I stopped about a third of the way through your piece - was laughing too much to read on.
Only an aspie would respond to folks talking about the weather by...by PREPARING for it in advance...by....researching meteorology!
Talking about the weather (unless you are meteorologist talking shop with collegues) is -what you're talking about- small talk. Its talking about nothing. Folks talk just to make conversation and to bond. that's the definition of "small talk" And the reason they pick weather as a topic to do that with is precicely because it doesn't take knowledge - rain and sunlight just fall on everyone -so even a child can talk about it. So if you PUT knowledge into the topic( by studying up on it)- you're just defeating the whole point of talking about the weather. I ofcourse mean "talking about the weather" they way its usualy done. Just to make conversation.
Just seen your reply.
I remember being puzzled about the look on the other persons face! Haha! Oops!
Good to see that you are on the case Agent Goat
From my perspective - I have a small repertoire of 'small talk' stock questions and phrases that seem pointless to me but seem to go down OK.
I have to admit that as I get older I dont tend to use them as much as I did
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Remember that typically NTs don't even have "special interests" in the autistic se"nse... but do engage in small talk.
One technique when caught in a small talk situation is to say nothing at all, but rather, smile and nod. There can also be some verbal responses that mean nothing, but go over okay:
"I know what you mean!"
"Uh-huh."
"Good to know!"
"Oh, jeez!"
"Sometimes you can't win for losing."
"Wow!"
"You don't say!"
"I know, I know..."
None of these is meant to be taken literally. They're just small talk filler material. You might memorize a few and pull them out of your tool bag when needed.
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One technique when caught in a small talk situation is to say nothing at all, but rather, smile and nod. There can also be some verbal responses that mean nothing, but go over okay:
"I know what you mean!"
"Uh-huh."
"Good to know!"
"Oh, jeez!"
"Sometimes you can't win for losing."
"Wow!"
"You don't say!"
"I know, I know..."
None of these is meant to be taken literally. They're just small talk filler material. You might memorize a few and pull them out of your tool bag when needed.
I usually just smile and nod etc. It is kind of automatic as I have learned to do it, but sometimes it does not work, because someone could say something sad and there is me automatically smiling!
It just a a way to pretent interest for showing that they like you and/or to start a conversation with you. An easy response could be "I'm fine. How are you?" Same with the weather. An "Oh - it's really great/fine/nasty" is all they expect as response of you. That's all just a way of NTs to initiate and keep social interconnections.
Background: Someone who cares about how you are or how even the wheather is shows that he isn't up to mess around with you. If somebody comes along without saying anything they don't know what's up his mind. A little smile and a phrase like the above break the ice and the reaction e.g. friendly or annoyed tells how somebody feels towards the one who asks. If they are angry on you NTs come blunt along that way or ignore you a way that should tell you that they dislike you. But may be you won't even realize the latter.
You don't need to get the diagnosis. You definitely ARE what used to be called "aspergers". Definitely on the autism spectrum.
Right. And not just a little bit.
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From my perspective - I have a small repertoire of 'small talk' stock questions and phrases that seem pointless to me but seem to go down OK.
I have to admit that as I get older I dont tend to use them as much as I did
I started off many years ago is by saying "Perfect!" as a way of avoiding the need for going through checking myself and giving an honest answer. Then one day in school, a school teacher said "No ones perfect"and I stopped this automatic approach because I didn't know what to say.
It is difficult because if I use an automatic response it can mean like lieing, because if someone says "How are you?" and I automatically replied "OK" as it is the most nutral response, but if I am not ok, I can be thrown because I can't use my automatic reply.
I can do conversations but I tend to switch off if I get nothing from the conversation. This can be embarissing because I may smile and nod and then someone suddenly asks me a direct question and finds out I had been faking all along to "Fit in" and my mind has been in daydream mode all the while. Oops!
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The words of small talk are quite predictable. The content of small talk is usually the re-affirmation of a relationship. However, if there is potential for conflict, there will be nuances in choice of words, expression, body language, etc. to test the waters. If people are not inclined to agree on large matters, they may also have a lot of trouble over misinterpreting almost everything.
I once sat between a couple as they drove along, arguing. Each party would say something conciliatory, and each time, the other would find a way to find fault with it. Sometimes this required great ingenuity, but they always managed a quick comeback.
It just a a way to pretent interest for showing that they like you and/or to start a conversation with you. An easy response could be "I'm fine. How are you?" Same with the weather. An "Oh - it's really great/fine/nasty" is all they expect as response of you. That's all just a way of NTs to initiate and keep social interconnections.
Background: Someone who cares about how you are or how even the wheather is shows that he isn't up to mess around with you. If somebody comes along without saying anything they don't know what's up his mind. A little smile and a phrase like the above break the ice and the reaction e.g. friendly or annoyed tells how somebody feels towards the one who asks.
You don't need to get the diagnosis. You definitely ARE what used to be called "aspergers". Definitely on the autism spectrum.
Right. And not just a little bit.
Haha. Yes. I know it is their way of being friendly. I understand why they do it but somehow it can be like I am from a parallel universe! Hahahaha! Yes, I can certainly engauge in conversations especially if things get interesting but conversations that are about other people I don't even know. Why are they telling me? The people they are talking about don't even like trains! Haha! Ok. I am using my humour. But you get the idea.
I did edit my post above a bit. Just thinking about how to help you. NTs are emotional driven by their feelings. Once they spot you they develop feelings toward you and are treating you just according to the way that they feel about you. Once you are friendly then they know that they don't have to defent towards you and are less likely to be aggressive or negative towards you. Be sure that most of them immediately try to realize your feelings towards them as soon as they are aware of you. It's an important thing that has developed because humans can be quite aggressive towards each other and it's a big advantage to know how others feel towards you once you have to deal with them. For this keep a friendly mind once you are even only looking towards somebody.
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I am fine. It is more about my humourous observations in life. While there are occasions where difficulties arize... I just steer conversations towards trains or something I like. Oh.. Yes. I do get some occasiona where others puzzle. I can start going into depth and the whole conversation has changed subject a couple of times and I am still answering assuming we are on the origional subject, and they are like "Catch up. We are not talking about trains now". Haha.
I once sat between a couple as they drove along, arguing. Each party would say something conciliatory, and each time, the other would find a way to find fault with it. Sometimes this required great ingenuity, but they always managed a quick comeback.
With smalltalk. It is very hard to define and I can't really define it, except that I do know I switch off when conversations head in certain directions. I hate pretending to nod when I want to leave, but even though my Mum is here and the conversation is between them, if I leave to do my own thing it is considered rude. So I sit there and pretend though my mind is totally switched off and in daydream mode. And then the guest gets annoyed when they realize that I have not been following the conversation.
These days I make excuses to go to the loo as my way to escape!
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