How Asperger's are you- is it even a legit question

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26 Aug 2014, 7:48 pm

I have a close friend who has been working with me on my social anxieties, and who knows I have Aspergers. However, she knows a couple other people with Asperger's, and says that I am only affected 25%.

I appreciate the sentiment expressed, but I feel she just doesn't understand the real extent to which I am affected.

For example, when we go out to eat I order the same, exact, thing, ALWAYS. A friend of hers with an autistic child said that this was common to Autistics, and now she wont let me order that anymore.

Do you think that Autism Spectrum Disorders affect you to a different extent? Or does it just manifest itself in different manners?



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26 Aug 2014, 8:06 pm

I don't think her comment is legitimate either. Either you are on the spectrum or you aren't. There are no percentages. I think the difference, as with all psychiatric disorders, is in how well the individual is able to function despite having the condition. People vary significantly in how they behave even if they have the same diagnosis.



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26 Aug 2014, 9:21 pm

she won't let you order what you want?? ok, if she's paying, i suppose she might have some justification for that, but what does she think, that if she stops you from the outward expression of AS that you will be cured or something?

i think that at the very least, she needs to actually learn something about the subject, rather than just knowing a few people.



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26 Aug 2014, 9:48 pm

Hi_Im_B0B wrote:
she won't let you order what you want?? ok, if she's paying, i suppose she might have some justification for that, but what does she think, that if she stops you from the outward expression of AS that you will be cured or something?

i think that at the very least, she needs to actually learn something about the subject, rather than just knowing a few people.


I concur. Forcing you to accept flexibility where you don't want or need it is a sure-fire way to increase your anxiety levels and make you more unhappy. If people told me I couldn't order the same thing I always get at whatever restaurant we're at, there wouldn't be anything else left on the menu that I'd want to eat: that seems like a stupid idea to me. Is your friend a psychologist?


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27 Aug 2014, 3:40 am

You can't be partially Autistic. If you are on the Spectrum than you are on it. You may be affected more severely or less severely and you may have developed coping mechanisms that help you navigate through life but that does not mean you are only half or a quarter Autistic. That's just an ignorant and stupid thing to say. I am going to use the dreaded "R" word here, not as an insult but just for what it clinically means. If someone is mentally ret*d, he is mentally ret*d. Even if it's only mildly. You would not say that a person who is mildly ret*d is only 25% ret*d, that would not make any sense to say that. You would say, he is mentally ret*d whether he is mild or severe. You can say he is mildly ret*d but if you say he is 25% ret*d than what is the remaining 75%? Is that percentage of him not? And how do you go about breaking down what parts are and what parts are not? You certainly can't do that with Autism. "Well I think this part of you is Autistic but that part is not." You can identify Autism specific behaviors and say this behavior is an Autistic behavior or not but if the person is on the Spectrum than his entire self is on the Spectrum, not just half of himself or a quarter of himself. That just shows that that person has no knowledge on how these conditions work and what it means to have them.

Maybe your friend is 25% idiot and 75% uneducated and ignorant.


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27 Aug 2014, 7:12 am

skibum wrote:
You can say he is mildly ret*d but if you say he is 25% ret*d than what is the remaining 75%? Is that percentage of him not? And how do you go about breaking down what parts are and what parts are not? You certainly can't do that with Autism. "Well I think this part of you is Autistic but that part is not." You can identify Autism specific behaviors and say this behavior is an Autistic behavior or not but if the person is on the Spectrum than his entire self is on the Spectrum, not just half of himself or a quarter of himself. That just shows that that person has no knowledge on how these conditions work and what it means to have them.


That is exactly what i was thinking when i read.
Like, how can your personality be divided? And how can this person calculate the exact number? What the the other "75% of you" is?
I don't think this is something plausible to do.



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27 Aug 2014, 7:35 am

Not sure if thats how it works...
You may have 'mild' asperger's but cant be part aspie & part not.
You are a 'mild' aspie & hence can cope with it quite well & look 'normal'. It doesnt affect your functioning as much as it affects others.
That's what I belive.


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27 Aug 2014, 7:43 am

The classifying of 25% makes no sense to me. Autism is wound into our lives and our personalities-it's not a definable part of us, in my opinion. She probably meant it as you only being mildly affected but trying to assign a percentage to it is just wrong. Also I personally hate it when people refer to my Aspergers as mild-people haven't done it in a few years since they realised how many issues I actually have but it used to happen all the time and it made me feel as though I constantly had to hide my stimming because I would get told I didn't need to behave like that because my Aspergers was "only mild". To me, it just seems to be a way for people to dismiss our difficulties by assuming that we are too mildly affected to have any difficulties at all.


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27 Aug 2014, 9:18 am

I'm going to defend my friend, because I know she meant that as a compliment, and she has helped me a lot, without her pushing me out of my comfort zone, I'd be a lot worse off



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27 Aug 2014, 9:22 am

I'm 3.1416 Aspie.



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27 Aug 2014, 9:23 am

Asperger96 wrote:
For example, when we go out to eat I order the same, exact, thing, ALWAYS. A friend of hers with an autistic child said that this was common to Autistics, and now she wont let me order that anymore.


If this wasn't about autism, but was about say, a visual impairment, would she treat you in this way? If a friend of hers had a short-sighted child and and said it was common for short-sighted people to wear glasses, would she then not let you wear glasses? Does that sound at all sensible?

Edited to add: and yeah, even if she's paying for the meal it is out of line to dictate what you can and cannot eat.



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27 Aug 2014, 9:27 am

Marcia wrote:
Asperger96 wrote:
For example, when we go out to eat I order the same, exact, thing, ALWAYS. A friend of hers with an autistic child said that this was common to Autistics, and now she wont let me order that anymore.


If this wasn't about autism, but was about say, a visual impairment, would she treat you in this way? If a friend of hers had a short-sighted child and and said it was common for short-sighted people to wear glasses, would she then not let you wear glasses? Does that sound at all sensible?

Edited to add: and yeah, even if she's paying for the meal it is out of line to dictate what you can and cannot eat.


I pay for my food.

I think she sees it less as a compulsion, and more of a habit. They like to take me out of my comfort zone. Which really is a good thing, since I'm at a point in my life where to shut down socially would be very bad.



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27 Aug 2014, 10:33 am

What the hell there are not percentages of being autistic its not like you're 25% aspergers and the remaining % is neurotypical. You either have aspergers or you don't. However there can be varying degrees of severity of they symptoms but nothing to measure mathmatically with percentages and what not. I am thinking she might not have the best grasp on how having autism works.

And what the hell is wrong with eating/ordering the same thing every time, I feel sorry for the kid who's parent said its good to not allow them to do that. I mean is it really harmful to eat the same things and not vary too much from that? Its as though parents that think like that think just disallowing any autistic behaviors/traits will make their kid normal........in the end though probably just frusterates them since no one can let them be with anything and is always trying to correct their behavior to be normal.

Either way your friend has no right to tell you what you can and cannot eat....hell even a lot of neurotypicals might only order the same thing when they go out to eat...no harm in it at all.


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27 Aug 2014, 10:39 am

When I go to an Indian restaurant, I always order Lamb Curry with poori bread.



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27 Aug 2014, 10:42 am

Asperger96 wrote:
Marcia wrote:
Asperger96 wrote:
For example, when we go out to eat I order the same, exact, thing, ALWAYS. A friend of hers with an autistic child said that this was common to Autistics, and now she wont let me order that anymore.


If this wasn't about autism, but was about say, a visual impairment, would she treat you in this way? If a friend of hers had a short-sighted child and and said it was common for short-sighted people to wear glasses, would she then not let you wear glasses? Does that sound at all sensible?

Edited to add: and yeah, even if she's paying for the meal it is out of line to dictate what you can and cannot eat.


I pay for my food.

I think she sees it less as a compulsion, and more of a habit. They like to take me out of my comfort zone. Which really is a good thing, since I'm at a point in my life where to shut down socially would be very bad.


But do you actually feel better being taken out of your comfort zone to the extent they are? Or are you feeling more stress/anxiety...I mean getting out of ones comfort zone can be good but jumping in too quick can cause a crap load of stress so you do want to make sure you have boundaries and don't let them push you to far out of your comfort zone...I mean they need to respect your limitations to and if the being pushed out of comfort zone gets to be too stressful or too much hopefully they are understanding about that and would lay off some and let you be a bit. Also while your friend and other friends may have good intentions they aren't mental health professionals are they? so they cannot know for sure what is the best 'treatment' for your social anxiety or bothersome aspergers symptoms...sometimes people with good intentions accidentally just make things worse unfortunately.


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27 Aug 2014, 10:47 am

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What the hell there are not percentages otraiting autistic its not like you're 25% aspergers and the remaining % is neurotypical. You either have aspergers or you don't. However there can be varying degrees of severity of they symptoms but nothing to measure mathmatically with percentages and what not. I am thinking she might not have the best grasp on how having autism works.

And what the hell is wrong with eating/ordering the same thing every time, I feel sorry for the kid who's parent said its good to not allow them to do that. I mean is it really harmful to eat the same things and not vary too much from that? Its as though parents that think like that think just disallowing any autistic behaviors/traits will make their kid normal........in the end though probably just frusterates them since no one can let them be with anything and is always trying to correct their behavior to be normal.

Either way your friend has no right to tell you what you can and cannot eat....hell even a lot of neurotypicals might only order the same thing when they go out to eat...no harm in it at all.


Her friend didn't say it was wrong, just that it's a common trait of autism