Does anyone feel it takes a miracle to make a new friend?

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09 Oct 2018, 5:00 am

I can't make new friends. I don't even like myself.



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09 Oct 2018, 5:06 am

Yeah, I do. Despite all the advice out there on how to develop social skills, I've found that in social situations there's another element going on that nobody can define.

If you look at NTs even, their social success varies widely. Take for example celebrities. Some NT celebrities are mega popular, some despite money and success have Twitter accounts with only a few thousand followers.

Some of us almost constantly say or do the wrong thing, even after trying to learn. Our brains may in social situations be as jumbled as a dyslexic's when they're reading.



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09 Oct 2018, 7:56 am

neptunekh wrote:
Does anyone feel it takes a miracle to make a new friend?
Nope. Not at all.
neptunekh wrote:
I can't make new friends. I don't even like myself.
MAYBE you can't make new friends BECAUSE you don't like yourself.



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09 Oct 2018, 9:32 am

I have such few friends. It is so difficult for me to make new friends. I'm not very out-going & introverted that it is near impossible. I get along fine with myself, which is good! That's pretty much how my life has been. Me, myself and I...



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09 Oct 2018, 10:31 am

brightonpete wrote:
I have such few friends.

Quality is much more important than quantity!


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09 Oct 2018, 12:17 pm

Trogluddite wrote:
brightonpete wrote:
I have such few friends.

Quality is much more important than quantity!


Very true. My NT wife probably has about 30 people she considers friends. I have about 4.65, in different countries. I'm ok with that.


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09 Oct 2018, 2:27 pm

I suppose if I wanted to make them, I'd experience such a difficulty.



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09 Oct 2018, 2:40 pm

I've never set out to make friends, but I've collected a few good ones anyway, so that truly is miraculous, I suppose.


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09 Oct 2018, 2:50 pm

fifasy wrote:
Yeah, I do. Despite all the advice out there on how to develop social skills, I've found that in social situations there's another element going on that nobody can define.

If you look at NTs even, their social success varies widely. Take for example celebrities. Some NT celebrities are mega popular, some despite money and success have Twitter accounts with only a few thousand followers.

Some of us almost constantly say or do the wrong thing, even after trying to learn. Our brains may in social situations be as jumbled as a dyslexic's when they're reading.

I've found the people I've successfully made friends with are the ones that don't really fit the social norms.
My best friend is a woman who identifies as male and lives a hermit type lifestyle off the grid.
She's brilliant!


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10 Oct 2018, 2:52 am

Raleigh wrote:
fifasy wrote:
Yeah, I do. Despite all the advice out there on how to develop social skills, I've found that in social situations there's another element going on that nobody can define.

If you look at NTs even, their social success varies widely. Take for example celebrities. Some NT celebrities are mega popular, some despite money and success have Twitter accounts with only a few thousand followers.

Some of us almost constantly say or do the wrong thing, even after trying to learn. Our brains may in social situations be as jumbled as a dyslexic's when they're reading.

I've found the people I've successfully made friends with are the ones that don't really fit the social norms.
My best friend is a woman who identifies as male and lives a hermit type lifestyle off the grid.
She's brilliant!


How did you meet her? She sounds like a great friend.



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12 Oct 2018, 3:58 pm

I hope you feel better soon.

My answer is "no" to the title question; I don't think miracles exist.


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12 Oct 2018, 4:04 pm

Yes i feel like that too. I also don't like myself too much but a lot of things are out of my control so i won't beat myself over those things.



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13 Oct 2018, 9:16 am

There are definitely things I don't like about myself, but I'm working hard to change them. I have been far more social in the last five years.



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13 Oct 2018, 6:44 pm

A miracle and some time. It's gotten easier with age, and I feel less weird about not being so social since my peers seem to be settling down and caring less about coming across as a social butterfly themselves.



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14 Oct 2018, 6:16 am

I think that making friends is a miracle, indeed. Most of the people I can consider friends became such because of a chance meeting, or such situations when it is obligatory to do tasks with others. I seem to be unable to befriend most people, although there are selected, minimal number of individuals that go well with me. As of now, I only have one friend that I contact almost daily, but that's the desirable outcome for me. And I like her presence a lot, and we talk about interesting things. Having too many friends or belonging to a circle of friends is not accessible for me, too exhausting, and I wouldn't want that, as I would be pressured to mask myself, as I'm used to it daily. I wished I had the courage to stand for myself, forgetting the times people told me incessantly what I had to change in order to be a desirable member of society. I still fail sometimes to become a desirable member, though.

As for friends, I seem to have an unshakeable ideal that they should be sacred, cared for, and as such, I wouldn't want to have more than a few friends. That is why I do not contact with people that have too many friends. Friends that would be there for me no matter what, regardless of personal interests, something that resembles my own family, and that would be understanding of my inner world and interests, those are the ones I'm persuing.

Since I can remember, from my school years, I've had the chance to meet many people, but they inevitably end up following their leads, meeting people that seem to have a "connection reader" I cannot access, and I cannot find something that can connect us, most people are uninteresting or I just can't understand how they can come with such topics of speech. I can almost never secure a friend from the several number of people I meet daily, as if they're inaccessible, as if they couldn't understand my own language.

Being an university student now, the dire situation persists. It doesn't help that I have some degree of social anxiety, as I've failed many times in the past to be socially appropriate and so I prefer to be by myself, since most people wouldnt be interested in what I have to say, anyway. I often obsess over if I was socially appropriate or not, if my speech was called for... I fear that I would bother people, as I end up doing so sometimes, so I just prefer to not meddle with people too much. I learnt that the hard way. I sometimes indulge in bittersweet, yet necessary for self-preservation self-loathing. But, see, even though I'm a very sympathetic person, even though I've helped many people in academic problems and gave my advice, no one seemed to have an interest in befriending me. When I'm in social situations with most people, I find that I feel uncomfortable as their range of topics is uninteresting and I don't know what I have to talk aside from my interests or things that relate to myself, so I end up feeling alone in a tribe of people. If I end up being in a situation I feel comfortable, I always end up talking too much about myself, I know that, but even though I have tried to subside it, it's just not a natural skill. I end up speaking too slowly and low voice, too high pitch, and as I have a complex regarding that, I would prefer to make friends through text.

Although I'm mostly alone, most of the time, I prefer such calming silence so that I have a brief pause to reminiscence about scenarios of the other world, a world of imaginary unnumbered possibilities. I wouldn't think much about real people or dream about such things. I might think about individuals, such as family friends or people I consider special friends, though.


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