asperger view vs normal person view

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how do they see reality vs how we see reality ? how does a asperger view reality ? and how does a normal person view reality ? is it a like a tv screen first person vs third person i am right ?

do go into detail please

I hate the term "normal person". Someone with AS can be just as 'normal' as any NT and someone NT can be just as eccentric as anyone on the spectrum.

My objection to that term aside, I do believe some of us view the world around us in a different and often more original way. I have seen people here who look at the world in a very technical, logical and matter-of-fact way whereas others are more imaginative, creative and playful in their view of their surroundings. There is no such thing as "the autistic", but in general there's a fair amount of us who have interesting, out-of-the-box viewpoints on various things. This, I believe, is a testament to our creativity and our value in the world.

I recently acknowledged there is difference about how people see gift giving. I'm not sure if it is true of all AS or NTs but that's what we think:

I (AS) give a gift to someone when I like him/her and want to make him/her happy. Eventually to show I like him/her.

My (NT) friend gives a gift to someone to see his/her reaction. He can guess whatever the person reciving the gift likes him, is just being friendly or is indifferent by looking at the person face when he/she receives the gift. It's a kind of test.

so we can be the same .... is it common sense ?=?

I believe NT's also give gifts for the same reason Kiriae stated (to express a "like" for someone), as well the "test" which she mentioned.

Perhaps, NT's employ gifts as a "test" more often than people with ASD's.

but in general could you describe the asperger person diffrent then the normal one .... like values and such ... )

Sometimes we are and sometimes we are not. But two autistic people are never 100% the same and will always see the world around them in different lights depending on their personality and their mood at the time.

could define some traits of autistic people then ? ( a high definition )

I cannot as no two autistics are the same. Some think and act just like NT's whereas some NT's think and act just like autistics. There's considerable overlap.

I don't really get how someone with autism could be just as normal as an NT or how an NT could be just as eccentric as anyone on the spectrum....maybe it can look like that on the outside but I guarantee there'd still be underlying differences in neurology....having abnormal or atypical neurology sort of cancels out one being 'normal' in my opinion or at least having normal neurology. In general the term normal is rather subjective though, I mean yeah some people with aspergers can hold jobs, live what is a pretty typical life with minor struggles in functioning compared to others who might be unable to hold a job or start a family or what not....and people with typical neurology can live intresting lifestyles and under too much stress it would probably effect their functioning and cognitive abilities and what not.

But there isn't like a single way autistic people see the world vs. everyone else, it can vary quite a lot....In my perspective I think things are probably more intense for me than normal people like sensory stuff like light, sound, crowded areas, vibes and all that all the time get overwhelming....but not really sure how else to explain it I mean a lot of other thing contribute to how I see things to.

I usually base my thinking on opinions, emotions and common sense, like apparently most NTs do.

I do believe an NT can be eccentric, without being drug-related or alcohol-related. There are other conditions besides Autism which can make a person seem ''abnormal'' or different to others.

I do hate it when people try to split the whole population into 2 groups; 1% Autistic and 99% completely normal. That'd be like saying something like ''X% of the world speak English and Y% of the world speak French'' (X and Y adding up to 100, by the way). It's not accurate to just say that. But I suppose it is common for Aspies/Autistics to have black and white thinking, although I don't think in black and white. I always believe there are shades of grey in almost everything.

Generally, autistics perceive the real world as it is.
Generally, NTs perceive the world as filtered through their identities, which are imagined.

Generally, autistics have intuitions about the real world, and reason their way through the imagined world.
Generally, NTs have intuitions about the imagined world, and use their reasoning ability relatively rarely.

What do you mean their identities are imagined, neurotypical people cannot have real identities?

to be honest i get the sense that most people are fake "........

Temple Grandin writes in "Thinking in Pictures":

I relate to this.
Last week I joined a week of group therapy were guided imagery was used.
There were people who do not see images, but feel instead.
There are people who see images and feel.
I did see images as I am visually thinking, I see them into tiniest detail, but when asked "what did you feel" I communicated that I simply observed.
In communication people just can tell about themselves in relation to other people and tell a lot of the intentions other people were having.
I cannot tell about other people's intentions as I don't know their intentions.
To communicate I must be able to evoke images in my head, otherwise I cannot communicate.
I also seem to focus on other things than people usually do.
The therapist told to the group: "When I picked up Eloa 4 weeks ago by car at the airport first thing she said was: "Last year your car was parked 5 parking lots more to the right." (which is a fact).
Everyone was wondering how I could remember this.
My guess is that people usually do not make a visual map from the place they are, maybe they are more focussed at how to socialize with the person who picks them up.
In the therapy room was a shelf with little bottles all filled with liquid in different colours, more than a hunderd (113+20 extras).
I said: "There are two the same."
Everyone was again wondering that I noticed it.
I just do notice these things as the visual pattern was interrupted.

This is a very interesting thread idea!

I agree with Charloz and Joe90 that there are greys and overlaps here.

I have seen aspies make assumptions on forums that aspies see something in this way, while NTs see it that way, but that does not always hold true for me. I might see it very differently, and fall into the assumed NT group view, or sometimes a mix, or a mix of one group plus something not even mentioned.
Plus a lot of things can vary with mood, situation, the people involved etc.


Again, very interesting thread, I hope it will become a long one! Unfortunately I can't think of anything more to add right now, so I'll get back to it if I do.