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24 Oct 2014, 3:28 pm

For example, this morning I was walking to work. It was raining heavily, and had been raining all night too, so there was lots of puddles of water along the sides of the road. I was under an umbrella, and I didn't want a car to come along and splash me because that would mean I would have to work all day in soaking wet trousers. So I walked as far away from the curb as possible to avoid getting splashed by cars. But I found that as soon as I did this, it increased my chance of actually getting soaked by cars, because as soon as drivers see me trying to avoid getting splashed, they made it happen to me more by suddenly speeding up as soon as they get to the biggest puddles in the road. Lucky for me the water couldn't soak me too much because I was furthest away from the curb, so it actually made the drivers deliberately trying to soak me look like idiots, but even so, as I was walking along trying to avoid getting soaked by idiotic drivers, I was thinking about this:-

When people see you using common sense and trying to avoid something what most people would want to avoid, why do some people try to actually make it so unavoidable as they can for you? Like if I was walking nearer to the curb, I know that fewer drivers would deliberately try to soak me, although some still might so I didn't want to take any chances, but by walking as far away from the curb as possible, that actually encouraged more drivers to deliberately soak me. Is this only the behaviour of idiots, or is this somewhat of a human nature?


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24 Oct 2014, 3:40 pm

I was once with an ex who I believe has sadistic tendencies. Anyway, he was dropping me off somewhere and it was pouring. We passed the high school and this young think girl was on the sidewalk waiting to cross. Well didn't he deliberately pull up close and splash her. Poor girl would be all day at school with wet clothes. This was one of the warning signs that I remember made me get away from him.

There are a lot of angry people out there and when they get the chance to anonymously hurt someone they will take it.



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24 Oct 2014, 4:02 pm

They probably aren't trying to splash you.
People instinctively drive slower when pedestrians are close and may speed up if pedestrians move further away.
I really don't believe someone would do that to you deliberately.
Sometimes bicyclers ride on the line nearer to moving traffic instead of inside the bicycle lane line because they believe drivers will slow down and be more careful if they are closer to the traffic.



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24 Oct 2014, 4:30 pm

Marybird wrote:
They probably aren't trying to splash you.
People instinctively drive slower when pedestrians are close and may speed up if pedestrians move further away.
I really don't believe someone would do that to you deliberately.
Sometimes bicyclers ride on the line nearer to moving traffic instead of inside the bicycle lane line because they believe drivers will slow down and be more careful if they are closer to the traffic.


This.

I know a lot of drivers are morons, but not many are actual sadists. Even if you were unlucky enough to encounter one who one wanted to splash you, you wouldn't get several drivers in a row feeling the same way. I'm a driver, so I know that drivers have to be looking at the road ahead pretty much constantly. Yeah, we see pedestrians, but mostly out of the corner of our eyes.

Still, if it's raining, I'll try to be a bit more aware of splashing people in the future.



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24 Oct 2014, 4:49 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Is this only the behaviour of idiots, or is this somewhat of a human nature?


Same thing.
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24 Oct 2014, 5:55 pm

There are some people like the drunken partier type who think things like that are funny.


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24 Oct 2014, 6:47 pm

nick007 wrote:
There are some people like the drunken partier type who think things like that are funny.


That is shadenfreude.
I think that it is an illusions caused by memes working in the subconscious to hijack chemical reward pathways in the brain.

The proof?
If you did not believe that a certain premise (meme) was logically correct, then it loses its ability to trigger pleasure producing chemicals.
In fact a specific meme can trigger pleasure in one individual, but repulsion in another individual.
To me this is proof that it is an illusion produced by the imagined pressures produced by memes.

This is a tool that memes use to self-reinforce and to self-reference.



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24 Oct 2014, 8:18 pm

I always avoid puddles because I don't want to damage the car, who knows what could be in a puddle. And if there is someone walking on the pavement I avoid the puddle so I don't accidentally splash them.



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24 Oct 2014, 9:39 pm

That's nasty. I don't think the majority of the people would do that. Only idiots do that. I don't think those idiots will miss the opportunity to splash on you if you walk near the curb. So it's best to keep away from the curb. Idiots will try to do anything to annoy other people.



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24 Oct 2014, 9:41 pm

The truth is that most people aren't very nice.


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24 Oct 2014, 10:07 pm

Marybird wrote:
They probably aren't trying to splash you.
People instinctively drive slower when pedestrians are close and may speed up if pedestrians move further away.

That was my thought too.


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25 Oct 2014, 4:05 am

I never said lots of cars in a row tried to splash me.


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25 Oct 2014, 1:18 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I never said lots of cars in a row tried to splash me.



harassment like we call "picking on" can be observed in human children as well as other species. When any sort of weakness is perceived, and that can be acts that may be judged as submissive, then a reinforcing aggressive act is called for.
This is a meme that is part of the hive-mind and still present in adult humans. It gets expressed in slightly different ways, and of course an adult will rationalize the behavior in different terms if asked about it.

It is directly connected to the existence of hierarchies, and the apparent lack of consideration for other humans is the psychopathic quality that ensures efficiency of that particular system.



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25 Oct 2014, 1:26 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I never said lots of cars in a row tried to splash me.


Whatever. You made it sound like all, or at least most, drivers were doing this.

I would be surprised if even a single car had bothered trying to splash you intentionally. Alternatively, if you go with olympiadis's hive mind theory, then the drivers were in telepathic communication with each other to splash you as much as humanly possible. Because NTs can tell a total stranger is an Aspie just by looking at them.



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25 Oct 2014, 1:46 pm

Oh just forget it then. They weren't trying to splash me. Maybe I'm just being paranoid thinking everybody's intentions are to show me up. And if every stranger can tell I have an ASD then I shall never go out again. I shall become housebound. Because I don't like being the target just because I have vibes that scream out I have a learning disability that I didn't ask for.

And people want to know why I don't want to have a child on the spectrum, or any invisible disability for that matter. I don't want to bring a child into the world who is going to be ridiculed for his or her whole life.


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25 Oct 2014, 2:18 pm

Nobody - absolutely nobody - can tell if you have ASD just from seeing you walking along the pavement. ASD people don't look any different to NTs. It's not a good idea to give in to these feelings and become housebound. I'm a bit tired and struggling for words right now, tbh. (Plus Doctor Who is on in 9 minutes).

5 minutes now. I'm really struggling for words :-/ I doubt very much you give off the vibes you think you do, though. Okay, I gotta go :-/ If you want to talk some more, maybe I'll be more capable of saying what I want to say later on.