Why is it okay to dislike and alienate autistics?

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06 Nov 2015, 5:12 pm

And don't tell me that it's not. Special Ed. teachers and parents aside, people don't like us. I don't know why, but it seems from my experiences with people that they want something that I just don't have. And because of that it's okay to make me feel an unwelcome failure. Are we really such a hinderance to society that it's okay for them to tell us so ... everyday, with every failed encounter. My psychiatrist would tell me that I have no evidence that this is true and that I just need to change my thinking. Thanks, that's great. Their frowns and turned away faces are not negative, their laughter at my inappropriate comments is really a show of love and encouragement. f**k off. I know when I'm not wanted.
What bothers me, though, is that it is a short sighted ostracism. Just because I can't make you feel special in the moment or connect with you in some special way that is beyond me, why does that make me valueless?



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06 Nov 2015, 5:22 pm

I know how it feels to be ostracized--trust me.

I've learned to take that sort of crap with a grain of salt---and only consider people who are willing not to ostracize me.

It's the ostracizer's tough luck that they don't want to get know a decent guy....hee hee...

Tough Nuggies on the Schmucks!

In brief: I don't give a Rat's Patooey if somebody deigns to ostracize me.



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06 Nov 2015, 5:26 pm

Of course it isn't right, but its a built in animal instinct to suspect the unusual, the minority. And we autistics are a minority in every bloody nation.

Is it acceptable to be sexist or racist? I think not either. It's just that animal instincts are so hard to control, and easy to inflame.

Luckily, some people can suppress that primal urge to be that kind of arse, and actually appreciate our differences.



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06 Nov 2015, 5:36 pm

Its that traditional medical model of disability, the view of symptoms needing to be treated, an illness that needs to be cured, segregation, being recipients, language legacy issues etc.

Its a norm that permeates every aspect of society.



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06 Nov 2015, 7:58 pm

It's not okay but people are going to do it, anyways. People are afraid of people who are different.


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07 Nov 2015, 7:37 am

It's acceptable prejudice. Why are social norms so important that people who can't conform to them are reacted to negatively. I'm probably being a bit "black and white" here. People are polite to me at my work, but there is this looming feeling that I'm missing something. That people don't want to spend time with me. Why is this so hard?



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07 Nov 2015, 10:03 am

Only spend time with the people who want to spend time with you. Those other people who don't want to spend time with you are just stupid--or they got their social circles established already.

Don't ruin the niche you've carved for yourself by creating binds for yourself, by thinking that YOU are the problem. Because--unless you're outwardly unfriendly, hostile, etc--the problem is really THEIRS.



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07 Nov 2015, 11:30 am

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Why are social norms so important that people who can't conform to them are reacted to negatively.
Unless a person has visible difference/they don't look/behave similarly there isn't a can't conform, only a won't conform... if the differences are visible/obvious, I think it is more acceptable to say 'I'm not able to' but this could lead to only the differences being noticed and not the similarities.



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07 Nov 2015, 11:48 am

Amity wrote:
Unless a person has visible difference/they don't look/behave similarly there isn't a can't conform, only a won't conform...

I disagree. I can't come up with the acceptable words. I can't pass people in the halls without awkwardness. I try, but I can't. I think I need to stop trying, but it's hard because I care about fitting in.



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07 Nov 2015, 11:51 am

You never know....maybe some of those people you pass in the halls might have similar literary interests to you.



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07 Nov 2015, 12:01 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
You never know....maybe some of those people you pass in the halls might have similar literary interests to you.

Maybe they do, but that doesn't change that I can't speak or act appropriately.



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07 Nov 2015, 12:10 pm

I haven't heard you speak---so I don't really know.

I do get the feeling however, that you've retained at least most of your ability to converse properly when the occasion requires it.

It is true that many autistic people don't really "show" their autism within superficial social interactions.

That fact does not lessen your autism, and the impact it has upon you.



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07 Nov 2015, 12:45 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I haven't heard you speak---so I don't really know.

I do get the feeling however, that you've retained at least most of your ability to converse properly when the occasion requires it.

If I could just talk to people through texts and email, I'd be laughing. I was always better with the written word. Verbalization is hard for me.

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It is true that many autistic people don't really "show" their autism within superficial social interactions.

That fact does not lessen your autism, and the impact it has upon you.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.



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07 Nov 2015, 12:57 pm

Agree, except the parents part, because most parents I have met are just as bad if not even worse.

PS we are not unworthy, they are a#$%$les, remember, they like to feel important and what could be easier than to target someone who doesn't have the same social abilities as they do. Believe me, they scream when an autistic calls them slow or stupid when it comes to things many autistics shine in.



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07 Nov 2015, 1:01 pm

whatamess wrote:
...they like to feel important and what could be easier than to target someone who doesn't have the same social abilities as they do.

Why though, why is it so important to them?



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07 Nov 2015, 1:24 pm

androbot01 wrote:
Amity wrote:
Unless a person has visible difference/they don't look/behave similarly there isn't a can't conform, only a won't conform...

I disagree. I can't come up with the acceptable words. I can't pass people in the halls without awkwardness. I try, but I can't. I think I need to stop trying, but it's hard because I care about fitting in.


Its that saying 'there is no such thing as can't, only won't'. I don't mean that you won't but how people react to you could be based on the false belief that you wont.