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08 Nov 2014, 5:23 pm

I was trying to tell my dad last night that I know much he cares me about me but somehow it came out wrong and instead I made him feel bad. He was emotional and talking about how just a little while ago I was telling him how it's like being me. I gave him an example of the majority of people being in a circle and I'm outside of it. People inside the circle always expect that if I care about them then somehow I'll get in but I can't. They think this means I'm uninterested or heartless. I told him that it's frustrating they won't try to meet me where I'm at. Although I know they are too used to the circle to actually consider leaving it for a second. This conversation happened after I had become extremely overwhelmed and pretty much shut down for an hour. I was overwhelmed because my great grandma passed away, the holidays are coming up and stress me out, and we were just around people a lot on a trip.

How do people on the spectrum handle relationships with their family? Do they try to help them understand what they're going through and why can't interact and connect more? Or will that just make them depressed and guilty?



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08 Nov 2014, 7:09 pm

Transyl wrote:
I was trying to tell my dad last night that I know much he cares me about me but somehow it came out wrong and instead I made him feel bad. He was emotional and talking about how just a little while ago I was telling him how it's like being me. I gave him an example of the majority of people being in a circle and I'm outside of it. People inside the circle always expect that if I care about them then somehow I'll get in but I can't. They think this means I'm uninterested or heartless. I told him that it's frustrating they won't try to meet me where I'm at. Although I know they are too used to the circle to actually consider leaving it for a second. This conversation happened after I had become extremely overwhelmed and pretty much shut down for an hour. I was overwhelmed because my great grandma passed away, the holidays are coming up and stress me out, and we were just around people a lot on a trip.

How do people on the spectrum handle relationships with their family? Do they try to help them understand what they're going through and why can't interact and connect more? Or will that just make them depressed and guilty?



I think you explained it very well.
I have made similar efforts to do so and at first I would think that my message got through, but then later it would become clear that I failed completely.

I don't think the result is a random thing, or has much to do with the communication being used.
I think it comes down to there being a much stronger force drawing them into their circle than anything else that would tempt them to step out of it for any amount of time.

A simple analogy might be them attempting to jump up and reach the moon. The gravity of the Earth is just too powerful, so they can only look from a distance. Of course the only way to actually reach the moon is to understand the Earth's gravity and find a way to defeat it. They aren't doing that. The Earth's gravity is what makes them feel good and safe and sane.



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08 Nov 2014, 8:42 pm

join or start a local aspie group
get some aspie friends
then he wont feel guilty anymore



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08 Nov 2014, 9:10 pm

Exactly olympiadis. I wasn't really trying to put pressure on him I was just trying to explain to him. I don't ask anyone to join me on the moon. Now he's thinking I'm cold and alone up here all by myself. Sometimes it feels that way. But I'm happy off and on. I can recognize positive things like people who care about me and things I enjoy like my interests.

I think you have a good point as well slenkar. My dad wants to hear me say the kind of stuff that makes a typical NT happy. Maybe it's my responsibility to create that situation if it's what would make him feel better.



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08 Nov 2014, 10:13 pm

Transyl wrote:
How do people on the spectrum handle relationships with their family? Do they try to help them understand what they're going through and why can't interact and connect more? Or will that just make them depressed and guilty?


Me and my dad communicate things pretty good. He has a good handle on me being withdrawn and knows it's a neurological thing. My mom has more trouble with that.



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08 Nov 2014, 10:15 pm

olympiadis wrote:
Transyl wrote:
I was trying to tell my dad last night that I know much he cares me about me but somehow it came out wrong and instead I made him feel bad. He was emotional and talking about how just a little while ago I was telling him how it's like being me. I gave him an example of the majority of people being in a circle and I'm outside of it. People inside the circle always expect that if I care about them then somehow I'll get in but I can't. They think this means I'm uninterested or heartless. I told him that it's frustrating they won't try to meet me where I'm at. Although I know they are too used to the circle to actually consider leaving it for a second. This conversation happened after I had become extremely overwhelmed and pretty much shut down for an hour. I was overwhelmed because my great grandma passed away, the holidays are coming up and stress me out, and we were just around people a lot on a trip.

How do people on the spectrum handle relationships with their family? Do they try to help them understand what they're going through and why can't interact and connect more? Or will that just make them depressed and guilty?



I think you explained it very well.
I have made similar efforts to do so and at first I would think that my message got through, but then later it would become clear that I failed completely.

I don't think the result is a random thing, or has much to do with the communication being used.
I think it comes down to there being a much stronger force drawing them into their circle than anything else that would tempt them to step out of it for any amount of time.

A simple analogy might be them attempting to jump up and reach the moon. The gravity of the Earth is just too powerful, so they can only look from a distance. Of course the only way to actually reach the moon is to understand the Earth's gravity and find a way to defeat it. They aren't doing that. The Earth's gravity is what makes them feel good and safe and sane.


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I recall one time a while ago, before I learned that I may be on the spectrum, when I was at a party. There were some people I sort of knew, but by and large it was all strangers or somewhat superficial acquantainces. At one point a bunch of people were out on the deck, and several were sitting in a circle, talking and laughing and playing some sort of game. Meanwhile, I'm sitting right on the periphery of the circle, seeing and overhearing them but unable to join, and unsure whether I even want to. I remember thinking (and remarking) that the experience was like a metaphor for my life: being right on the edge of a circle of people playing some big game that they are all a part of, while I able to observe it to an extent, but unable to participate or even to really understand the rules.


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08 Nov 2014, 10:34 pm

That circle dynamic is interesting to me.

If you were part of circles with other people but person X did not seem overly interested in joining in any circles, then you might think to give them an invitation.
Or perhaps you had invited person X in the past but they declined, so you no longer invite them.

On the other side of the coin there are people who INSIST on being part of circles because it is so vitally important to their identities. They become part of circles and establish their position from the start. It's a very aggressive approach.

A neutral approach just doesn't get results due to the dynamic of the circle itself.



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09 Nov 2014, 6:05 am

My father is very serious and somehow emotionless, if I'm ever emotional or something he'd consider it whining, But my mother is normal



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09 Nov 2014, 6:39 am

olympiadis wrote:
On the other side of the coin there are people who INSIST on being part of circles because it is so vitally important to their identities. They become part of circles and establish their position from the start. It's a very aggressive approach.

I think it only appears aggressive to us because it is so opposite to our own custom. For people of this second group the interaction and the forming of hierarchies is natural and not worked at.

Also, outside the circle is not that bad. Being an observer is okay.



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09 Nov 2014, 2:39 pm

I never had a close relationship with my family because they never really understood all my issues & put me down alot for em. I feel like my family has always been in the circle & I have always been out & we never really discussed why I'm out or why they won't come out to meet me.


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09 Nov 2014, 2:53 pm

I still struggle immensely with my family.
I have bought up that I have Aspergers but they have not researched it, I don't think, and tend to believe that I need to just get on with it.
It is a bit better with my mother as I think she has realised that a calm approach works best with me, but nevertheless, she still thinks I should have 'grown out' of certain aspects of behaviour by now and I have to work quite hard to not get frustrated at the lack of understanding. I have not really to explain AS to her, to be honest, as I do not think she wants to know about it.


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