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01 Apr 2007, 2:34 am

So. Memory Is apparently divided into three differen't catergories semantic(Knowledge of facts), episodic(memories of events in our lives) and procedural (knowing how to do something like ride a bicycle.)

Some research has shown that the same area of the brain that holds your memories is also the same area as where our imagination comes from.

So our memorie is made up from some facts we know about the past and the same part of the brain that is used to imagine the future forms the past to gether from some information we know. Since we don't remeber the whole situation completely the way our memory/ imagination helps fill in the gaps in our knowledge so we can remeber past events.

So what happens if the area of the brain that helps you recall events in your life is damaged? Damaged at birth? The human brain has a amazing ablity to adapt especially with younger people. So if the normal ablity to remember episodic memory is damaged this could lead to a person finding facts much easier to remeber while events such as where were my car keys or what we did today.

So if facts were easier to remeber because of making up for a lack of episodic memory with sematic this would in theory make it easier to remeber facts and find day to day life where other people remeber things in a much less factual basis difficult for some one with this altired wireing of the brain.

Ok this is only a ruff idea I just thought up now. Some one give me some opions please


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01 Apr 2007, 3:40 am

ummmmmm..............
the part of my memory that seems to be damaged seems mostly to do with faces and ESPECIALLy names..I will not recognise a person for a while but eventually, I will start recognising them, whereas I will hear someone's name OVer and ovER again and forget it..I will also forget the names of rediculously popular actors..and there are numerous people I see all the time, but I don't know what their names are, or I will know their name briefly and then forget it.....whereas I have extremely vivid memories of my early childhood. I even have memories of laying in a crib with a mobile dangling over me. I remember thinking things that I could not communicate yet with speech and finding it frustrating...umm...stuff like that...
And yet the only way that I was ever able to learn anything when I was younger was through reading comprehension and the involuntary memorization of facts ...But I do also have a vivid memory of where minute things are..and an adaptive capability of putting together abstract context clues in the finding of things...sorry..I am off track here..submit....



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01 Apr 2007, 4:36 am

''So. Memory Is apparently divided into three differen't catergories semantic(Knowledge of facts), episodic(memories of events in our lives) and procedural (knowing how to do something like ride a bicycle.)'' -MindOfOrderedChaos

Interesting. So when a person who's NT says or does something, and you with AS remember this action; then later you mention the same action to the NT, and they then deny it vigorously, (even if it was nothing wrong or shamefull, or would show them in a bad way) do you think that,-
A- the NT is denying the matter for another reason, or
B- your memory is at fault (maybe something to do with AS) or
C- the NT's memory is at fault
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01 Apr 2007, 4:52 am

The damned buggers are always lying.



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01 Apr 2007, 4:54 am

i am sorry..i am confused...



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01 Apr 2007, 5:12 am

It could be A or B or C.

What = catergories semantic(Knowledge of facts),
When = episodic(memories of events in our lives)
How = procedural (knowing how to do something like ride a bicycle.)

If you watch someone's words when they speak, noticing which of those three words they use, you can gain valuable information in how they are organising their experiences, and what method they use when.

Do you see? ^



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01 Apr 2007, 5:40 am

Kind of. Havin said that it would mean me paying attention to how they say stuff than what they say. I may get overload. :lol:


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01 Apr 2007, 5:53 am

Well, whenever you learn something significant about the world, the number of distinctions you have increases dramatically, and at first it's very overwhelming, but after some practise it becomes an unconscious perception. It's very much like learning a new skill.



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01 Apr 2007, 9:10 am

I think a neuropsychologist would tell you that what you describe is a real possibility.

But the brain is so complex - for example - i just learned that when your brain stores a memory, it doesn't just store it in one place. It will put it in maybe 6-7 places (like a squirrel storing acorns?). So when you remember something more than once, you aren't always opening the same cupboard. One reason why, maybe, you sometimes remember an event in more detail, or with more emotion, than another time.



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01 Apr 2007, 9:36 am

AC wrote:
I think a neuropsychologist would tell you that what you describe is a real possibility.

But the brain is so complex - for example - i just learned that when your brain stores a memory, it doesn't just store it in one place. It will put it in maybe 6-7 places (like a squirrel storing acorns?). So when you remember something more than once, you aren't always opening the same cupboard. One reason why, maybe, you sometimes remember an event in more detail, or with more emotion, than another time.


I don't know about that, but I DID find out that memory is stored almost like a combination email/zip file! Email NEVER goes from A to Z! It goes A->b A->c C-z b->d->....->z! That means pieces can end up anyplace, and be replicated at least in part. ALSO, a memory is not necessarily in one part. A zip file has a catalog that has a bunch of tags, and the main area just points to the tags. The tags contain the largest common piece of the file that fits. THAT is how you get all that compression. The mind may do the same sort of thing. It certainly appears to. ALSO, apparently the brain has to remember things by rote or association. MOST of what you learn is by association, so if part of the memory is damaged, it could be reconstructed with the association. That is ALSO why something can bring back other memories. OH YEAH, the human memory has to be refreshed ALSO, but it works like the video on an Apple II computer. Remembering one memory can help refresh the associated memories!

I found that stuff out by analyzing how MY memory works, and a lot of books agree with most of it!

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01 Apr 2007, 10:20 am

poopylungstuffing wrote:
ummmmmm..............
the part of my memory that seems to be damaged seems mostly to do with faces and ESPECIALLy names..I will not recognise a person for a while but eventually, I will start recognising them.


Me too. I have trouble with names or faces, but I can recall what they did or said and often refer to them as "that guy who said (whatever).." I find it strange that I can remember facts about the people without an association with their name.


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01 Apr 2007, 10:24 am

SeriousGirl wrote:
poopylungstuffing wrote:
ummmmmm..............
the part of my memory that seems to be damaged seems mostly to do with faces and ESPECIALLy names..I will not recognise a person for a while but eventually, I will start recognising them.


Me too. I have trouble with names or faces, but I can recall what they did or said and often refer to them as "that guy who said (whatever).." I find it strange that I can remember facts about the people without an association with their name.


SAME with me! I remember events VERY well! HECK, it doesn't matter if they happen in real life or in the movies. OTHER things take more work. I actually played through some interchange I had with a person last week, and plan to talk to him about it on monday. I wonder if he'll even remember! 8-)

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