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15 Nov 2014, 11:08 pm

Do you ever feel like you see everything differently than most people? Do you feel more like you belong to the human community than to your individual country? Like you tend to think about the interests of all humans or humanity as a whole rather than just each country separately? Do you feel like each human being is another version of yourself and you can't really understand the concept of fighting for your country by harming people from another country because you don't see what makes them matter less just because they're members of a different country? Because in your mind we're all the same... and countries are concepts created by society which hold no absolute truth or meaning... or is that just me?


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16 Nov 2014, 12:31 am

Well, we should see each other outside of structures and hierarchies, and I do to a great extent.
However, it mostly seems that I am an alien that came here for a tour and got left behind by accident.



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16 Nov 2014, 1:10 am

Yes, humanity is all one. War is a horror. War is insane.
With all the modern technology we've got, no one can figure out how to have one united world.
Where everyone is entitled to shelter, food, and medical care.
No one can be truly happy until everyone is happy.



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16 Nov 2014, 1:53 am

olympiadis wrote:
Well, we should see each other outside of structures and hierarchies, and I do to a great extent.
However, it mostly seems that I am an alien that came here for a tour and got left behind by accident.


You too, huh? As a child I used to sit and watch out the window for hours waiting for the ship to come and take me home. Sadly, it never came, so I just continue to collect information...just in case after 50 years they happen to find me. :)



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16 Nov 2014, 1:58 am

Imagine all the paper work we will have to complete if we do get picked up 8O

I hope I'm a wrangler. I don't want to be a rustler.



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16 Nov 2014, 2:13 am

olympiadis wrote:
Imagine all the paper work we will have to complete if we do get picked up 8O

I hope I'm a wrangler. I don't want to be a rustler.


Hadn't really considered the paperwork. :( Hopefully we will all be connected telepathically and I will just upload the information.



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16 Nov 2014, 2:17 am

I see everyone as more of an "empty shell." I recently did a thread about this and someone said it's due to lack of ToM. Here's the link to the thread if you want to look at it: X.

To me, humans are just a large mass of moving bodies and I am the only one that...makes sense. I get where you're coming from though; war doesn't make any sense at all. I mean, we're all humans in the end, so why kill each other for pieces of land or oil or anything else they want?



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16 Nov 2014, 2:53 am

I think society is a lying hypocrite. I believe humans are being kept from being themselves. For, example killing is perfectly alright in this society if you have just cause. However, this sickens me as most people never have just cause since they are emptily shells feed society's ideals. They only work for society never for themselves as they have never been themselves.



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16 Nov 2014, 3:21 am

I see myself as being an intelligent "human animal"; biologically homo sapiens, but mentally of a somewhat different species, if that makes any sense. I am an intelligent animal, though I am also technically a human being. I think I am more animalistic than a typical human in some ways, and less so in others. I would almost say I am like an alien of sorts, but I know that I am very much of this planet.

This song describes me pretty well, actually:
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16 Nov 2014, 3:27 am

No, I don't.


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16 Nov 2014, 4:26 am

I see humanity as one, but I also see myself as an individual. I am an individual that is part of humanity, I am not humanity myself.

Humanity is defined via scientific distinction, rather than visceral patriotism which is the only real distinguishing human feature of a nation. There are geographical borders that we have created to outline a nation's territory (a country), the rest is human nature in fruition.

Humanity is our defining group and is all that really exists from the start. The rest is what we create in our minds. You can't suddenly stop doing something and think 'hey, I'm no longer part of humanity', but nations could potentially stop fighting and come together. We are all one, but at the same time, we are still individual, as we can make conscious decisions to define ourselves based on thought. We aren't a bunch of robots following the same program mindlessly.


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16 Nov 2014, 5:03 am

Do you ever feel like you see everything differently than most people?

Nearly all the time. The exceptions are few and far between, and they stick out as specific events in my memory.

I have come to conclude that it is very hard to underestimate the difference between my perspective and other perspectives. Most typical people vastly overestimate their ability to understand other typical people. Fluency in nonverbal communication seems to create an illusion of mutual understanding. Professionally I regularly uncover misunderstandings between others by asking the right questions.

Do you feel more like you belong to the human community than to your individual country? Like you tend to think about the interests of all humans or humanity as a whole rather than just each country separately?

I don't feel any affiliation to any country or any other human created social group or circle.

Do you feel like each human being is another version of yourself

No. Whilst humans share a lot of genetic make up, there are vast differences in individual experiences and thinking styles. In analogy to computers: all humans share nearly the same basic hardware, but we run a range of different operating systems with different strengths and weaknesses, and then we all have unique individual experiences and routines, which can be compared to unique sets of operational data and a unique combination of applications that work with the data.

and you can't really understand the concept of fighting for your country by harming people from another country because you don't see what makes them matter less just because they're members of a different country?

I don't see the point of any form of aggression between any two conscious creatures. Aggression based on social group affiliation is complete insanity. At least some humans have evolved the capacity to consciously think about how they impact their environment, and a significant minority of humans has decided not to eat animals, and refuses to actively participate in wars or other forms of aggression between social groups.

There are big differences between humans, but these do not provide any justification for aggression.

Because in your mind we're all the same... and countries are concepts created by society which hold no absolute truth or meaning... or is that just me?

No, we're not all the same, and yes, concepts such as nation states created by society hold no absolute truth or meaning ? in fact they are highly dangerous to the survival of humans and other creatures on this planet.



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16 Nov 2014, 5:21 am

What a breath of fresh air to hear from a member here who has moved beyond the delusion of 'us' & 'them'



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16 Nov 2014, 7:36 am

I see all humans the same and I see myself and every human as part of one community; human community and I do value humanity and human life so much



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16 Nov 2014, 8:12 am

I'm still different despite all the exposures I gotten myself at. Knowledge isn't enough for me to be within the natives.
Even I'm welcomed or needed by everyone around me, I always have this longing feeling that I should be somewhere else... And this feeling waiting for something or someone to pick me up and leave to that wherever place it was. What if I was waiting for death? 8O Nah...

Anyways, I simply consider myself human. I have needs, flaws, ideals, and die. Like everyone else. But as a member of a country? Not so much. I'm already confused and frustrated about locals pointing their own stereotypes.

I acknowledge that everyone is unique (different likes, dislikes, tastes, aptitude, etc...); but not all are being judged as 'weird' with their own culture. Surely everyone has different experiences...
I kept seeing them all near-same as humans even with their own cultures apart. I see no difference between skin colors; they're humans are they are humans.

The hierarchies, country boarders, the gap of rich and poor... I see no difference; no one is truly free. And none of those are true, and permanent. The natives and the foreigners... I see no difference. I question everyone the same question regardless, so I'll get the different answers. But the very thing what makes humans the same; humans all lie and die. :twisted:

What bonds, and at the same time divides them. I don't get it, as much as I don't see the point of discrimination and wars... Same way as patriotism; I don't get it. Religion, too, big time.
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16 Nov 2014, 9:15 am

Luzhin wrote:
olympiadis wrote:
Imagine all the paper work we will have to complete if we do get picked up 8O

I hope I'm a wrangler. I don't want to be a rustler.


Hadn't really considered the paperwork. :( Hopefully we will all be connected telepathically and I will just upload the information.


Very much so. I've even lost friends as a result of my egregious hippitude coming off as disingenuous. The way I see it, life is astronomically unlikely to be indigenous to any one planetoid, so perhaps we exist to radiate information towards our fellow humans as well as whomever else may happen to tune in.


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