True Self/Curing Autism? (Kinda philosophical, sorry)

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26 Dec 2014, 3:15 am

Hi, new to WP, here're some deets; young college girl, diagnosed age 3, been Autistic all my life, 'passing' as neurotypical basically from high school on (in my opinion), but technically have been able to pass at lowest since I was thirteen or so.

Anyway, I've been doing some light reading on the 'net about people who claim they/their children (usually the latter) have been cured from Autism. They did some behavioral therapy, and now suddenly *poof*, they aren't aspie anymore. Hurray! Right?

I have a philosophical question because it's something I'm interested in discussing for myself as well as hearing other opinions. I've met (completely accidentally) a lot of people lately who are aspie/autistic, and hearing their story of how they became "cognizant" or whatever their version of cognizant is, is something I can relate to. I don't really know if I ever feel fully "normal" or "human" though. If someone is cured of Autism, as these articles claim, does that mean they are outwardly better at hiding it, or has something essential in them changed? For all y'all high-functioning folks, how do you feel internally that's different than how you used to feel?

In high school, I had a big solo in a show I did, and my friend and her mother saw me. Few months later, mentioned in passing to my friend that I was Autistic. She froze; her mother told her that she thought I was Autistic. I asked my friend how her mom knew. She said it was because of the way I walked.

I hadn't been found out in years.

When am I 'cured'? Is that such a thing? When I'm high I often revert to my nasty habits (rocking, slouching, averting eyes), so when am I finally 'normal'? Do I exist outside of my diagnosis?

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26 Dec 2014, 3:58 am

TinyThoughts wrote:
Hi, new to WP, here're some deets; young college girl, diagnosed age 3, been Autistic all my life, 'passing' as neurotypical basically from high school on (in my opinion), but technically have been able to pass at lowest since I was thirteen or so.

Anyway, I've been doing some light reading on the 'net about people who claim they/their children (usually the latter) have been cured from Autism. They did some behavioral therapy, and now suddenly *poof*, they aren't aspie anymore. Hurray! Right?

I have a philosophical question because it's something I'm interested in discussing for myself as well as hearing other opinions. I've met (completely accidentally) a lot of people lately who are aspie/autistic, and hearing their story of how they became "cognizant" or whatever their version of cognizant is, is something I can relate to. I don't really know if I ever feel fully "normal" or "human" though. If someone is cured of Autism, as these articles claim, does that mean they are outwardly better at hiding it, or has something essential in them changed? For all y'all high-functioning folks, how do you feel internally that's different than how you used to feel?

In high school, I had a big solo in a show I did, and my friend and her mother saw me. Few months later, mentioned in passing to my friend that I was Autistic. She froze; her mother told her that she thought I was Autistic. I asked my friend how her mom knew. She said it was because of the way I walked.

I hadn't been found out in years.

When am I 'cured'? Is that such a thing? When I'm high I often revert to my nasty habits (rocking, slouching, averting eyes), so when am I finally 'normal'? Do I exist outside of my diagnosis?

Discuss.


Well, howdy there, TinyThoughts(nothing "tiny" about your deep thoughts :) ).

And welcome to Wrong Planet.

I am new as well...sorta.

Say, I was thinking that you brought up an interesting question(I love to question everything).

Is it possible to be cured from Autism or would Autisies just bury their autism behavior underneath and "act" neurotypical or "act" out what is generally accepted to be socially "normal?"

My opinion is, why would I want to be "cured" of autism(more specifically, Aspergers, in my case)?

I suppose if it is severe enough to make it impossible for an autistic person to function properly the way they'd like to, then I could see why.

But I am not ashamed of having autism.
Nor is it severe enough for me to need a "cure."

I have not been diagnosed officially but I have passed the AQ test and checked of like 99% of the symptoms in some diagnostic document online specifically for Aspergers.

I suppose burying it wouldn't help either. I mean, why not learn to "work with it?"

Another words, I mean to collaborate with this "thought difference" instead of refuting it.

Ever heard that saying, "That what you resist, persists."

Its so true. Its like trying to swim against(hide) a powerful current in the ocean(autism) if you were going to "act" as if its not there.

Its much better to just, "go with the flow" of the current.

This is my opinion though. I am sure many others think otherwise. :D


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26 Dec 2014, 4:49 am

I don't know about 'curing' autism. I'll be autistic for the rest of my life and there's nothing I can ever do to change that, I've accepted this as factual.

However, I can learn from my mistakes. I can learn social skills, I can gain self-awareness to my disability, and if I can use those to my advantage I can mask my symptoms to appear normal and functioning to the rest of the world, which, short of a nervous breakdown I seem to do very well.

The articles about curing autism are nonsensical psuedo-science vitamins and "herbs" for high functioning autism. It's a scam to sell useless drugs and gain clicks/ad views for people desperate for answers on autism.


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26 Dec 2014, 5:02 am

1) You are normal.
2) You are cured when you stop stressing about not being 'normal' and accept yourself as autistic.


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26 Dec 2014, 5:12 am

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886 wrote:
I don't know about 'curing' autism. I'll be autistic for the rest of my life and there's nothing I can ever do to change that, I've accepted this as factual.

However, I can learn from my mistakes. I can learn social skills, I can gain self-awareness to my disability, and if I can use those to my advantage I can mask my symptoms to appear normal and functioning to the rest of the world, which, short of a nervous breakdown I seem to do very well.

The articles about curing autism are nonsensical psuedo-science vitamins and "herbs" for high functioning autism. It's a scam to sell useless drugs and gain clicks/ad views for people desperate for answers on autism.


Love this post. I definitely can attest to this, 886. :D

It is an incredibly irrational misconception that autism is a mental illness. Quite the contrary. It is a thought disorder in psychiatric terms. I prefer to call it a though difference. I do not see anything "out of order" with the way we think.

Perhaps neurotypicals are the ones whose thoughts are out of order. Not trying to be a, uh, thinkist(eh...new word?).
But I just think its messed up alot of Autsies feel as though they require a cure or they must fake it to make it.

And yes, we cannot change our autism, imo. This is part of who we are, as well as what we are. But its only a "part." It does not define everything about us.

But as I said before, I am grateful for it. Not just because of the strengths of it but the weaknesses to. Well, sounds nuts, right? Nah. Because to have weaknesses is to know that I am not perfect or above anyone and it gives me an equal opportunity with neurotypicals to learn from my many mistakes in life too! :lol:


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26 Dec 2014, 5:16 am

Raleigh wrote:
1) You are normal.
2) You are cured when you stop stressing about not being 'normal' and accept yourself as autistic.


This. There is no "normal" in the world today. There is no reason to be ashamed for being on the spectrum.



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26 Dec 2014, 10:00 am

886 wrote:

The articles about curing autism are nonsensical psuedo-science vitamins and "herbs" for high functioning autism. It's a scam to sell useless drugs and gain clicks/ad views for people desperate for answers on autism.

Vitamin/mineral deficiencies can cause neurological problems. Emily Deans blog Evolutionary Psychiatry has many articles about it.
I was low in B12 (200 pmol/l), and after a couple months of supplementing I noticed a big improvement in myfrustration tolerance.


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26 Dec 2014, 10:05 am

I like the "autism isn't an illness but a difference" philosophy, because it encourages autistic people to feel OK about themselves, it discourages us from trying too hard to be neurotypical, and it encourages the rest of society to stop seeing us as inferior.

But sometimes the individual autistic person wishes this or that autistic trait would go away because it's messing up their life, and sometimes in a relationship the partner might be hurt by the effects of an autistic trait and wish for an improvement.

The received wisdom seems to be that you can treat the symptoms and develop coping strategies, but that you can't alter the underlying condition. Mostly I agree with that, but I still wonder if some kind of brain-training could be developed that would temper some of the traits. Perhaps executive function could be enhanced by doing specific mental exercises? It would also be interesting to see what hypnotherapy could achieve - if it's true that it's helpful with dermatological conditions, I don't see why it couldn't work for Aspie sensory issues.



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26 Dec 2014, 11:19 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
I like the "autism isn't an illness but a difference" philosophy, because it encourages autistic people to feel OK about themselves, it discourages us from trying too hard to be neurotypical, and it encourages the rest of society to stop seeing us as inferior.

But sometimes the individual autistic person wishes this or that autistic trait would go away because it's messing up their life, and sometimes in a relationship the partner might be hurt by the effects of an autistic trait and wish for an improvement.

The received wisdom seems to be that you can treat the symptoms and develop coping strategies, but that you can't alter the underlying condition. Mostly I agree with that, but I still wonder if some kind of brain-training could be developed that would temper some of the traits. Perhaps executive function could be enhanced by doing specific mental exercises? It would also be interesting to see what hypnotherapy could achieve - if it's true that it's helpful with dermatological conditions, I don't see why it couldn't work for Aspie sensory issues.


I agree. There's nothing wrong with wondering if something exists to help the negatives of autism turn into positives.

But the whole, "searching for a cure" reminds me of the third X-Men movie.

But I also believe that "autism is a thought difference and not and illness."


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