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14 Mar 2012, 1:14 pm

All,

When i joined this site last week I chose what I thought at the time was a new word I had just made up, "neurodiversity", as my user name on WP. However, yesterday I discovered that a woman named Judy Singer originally coined this phrase. What I would like to know from other WP members is whether this term carries with it unnecessary baggage? For example, on one site, it appeared that Ms. Singer or some of her followers may have had some bias against Aspies having custody of their children in a divorce. (Of course, that could also have been a misrepresentation of her viewpoints.)

In any event, my intention in "making up" this term was to suggest that there are infinitely many different brain types, and that no single type is better or worse than another. That also seems to be where Ms. Singer may have begun. But, I just want to make sure she didn't end up someplace entirely different. And if she did, then I will re-register under a different name!

Thanks for listening.

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14 Mar 2012, 1:21 pm

Hey Don,

As it says on WP's front page:

Wrong Planet is the web community designed for individuals (and parents / professionals of those) with Autism, Asperger's Syndrome, ADHD, PDDs, and other neurological differences

I would say that neurodiversity fits into that definition [bolded]


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14 Mar 2012, 1:39 pm

NeuroDiversity wrote:
All,

When i joined this site last week I chose what I thought at the time was a new word I had just made up, "neurodiversity", as my user name on WP. However, yesterday I discovered that a woman named Judy Singer originally coined this phrase. What I would like to know from other WP members is whether this term carries with it unnecessary baggage? For example, on one site, it appeared that Ms. Singer or some of her followers may have had some bias against Aspies having custody of their children in a divorce. (Of course, that could also have been a misrepresentation of her viewpoints.)

In any event, my intention in "making up" this term was to suggest that there are infinitely many different brain types, and that no single type is better or worse than another. That also seems to be where Ms. Singer may have begun. But, I just want to make sure she didn't end up someplace entirely different. And if she did, then I will re-register under a different name!

Thanks for listening.

Don



I say congratulations on getting the username first.. I'm sure it will eventually become a somewhat commonly used word.

Also, I do understand the need to give credit when you thought you made something up, got excited about it, used it, THEN thought to look it up.. Ha, I do it all the time.


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14 Mar 2012, 2:58 pm

Neurodiversity is a specific type of diversity; or, more precisely, a belief that a specific type of diversity is a good thing.

By "diversity" I mean the sort of society that happens when people of all different sorts work together, accept each other, and form a cooperative group. Most of the time "diversity" is applied to acceptance of racial and ethnic minorities, to acceptance of religion (and non-religious people), to acceptance of all genders and sexual orientations, and to equality in general. It's called "diversity" and not just "acceptance" because it's a sort of acceptance where everyone is still free to be themselves; where differences are acknowledged and celebrated rather than uncomfortably ignored, minimized, or denied.

Neurodiversity is all of that, applied to cognitive, neurological, and generally brain-related disability and difference. I say "disability and difference" because neurodiversity technically doesn't apply just to disabilities like autism, but to things like synesthesia, giftedness, and different learning styles--things that represent differences between people's brains even when there is no disability involved. That means that neurodiversity applies to diagnosable autistics, and to people who lost their diagnosis but are still quirky, and to people who don't have a diagnosis, and to people who are self-diagnosed, and to people who are sub-clinical. Not to mention a lot of allies--spouses, friends, sympathetic professionals--who would like to see us treated as equals as well.

Neurodiversity is partly within the disability-rights movement; but as I've said it's also not entirely about disability, but also about differences. A proponent of neurodiversity might, for example, lobby for a more flexible school system to allow even neurotypical children to pursue their own talents, so that the spatially-gifted child might have plenty of illustrations and graphs to work with, and the verbally-gifted child, lots of books to read. You needn't have a disability to benefit from that.

Neurodiversity is a term used mostly within the autism-rights community, but it's leaking out. I've heard it applied to ADHD and bipolar disorder, so far. I hope the concept gains wider acceptance.


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14 Mar 2012, 3:01 pm

its the mental health version of multiculturalism


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14 Mar 2012, 3:54 pm

Nerodiversity means to me, accepting everybody no matter what types of abilities or disabilities they have and respecting all of their lives from conception until natural death.


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14 Mar 2012, 4:36 pm

Thanks all for your replies. All of your replies are pretty consistent with what I had in mind when I thought I made up the word. In short I was thinking of something like cultural diversity applied to people with different brain types, on one type being any better or worse than another.. just different.

Now If I can just figure out what a "neurotypical" is. Is it the 40+ percent of the population with one or more mental disorders? The 15% or so of the population with personality disorders? The intersection thereof? Or just those that haven't been diagnosed with anything yet due to the limits of our current knowledge about the brain? :)


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08 Feb 2015, 3:42 pm

Neurodiversity implies the notion that Autism is not a disorder but rather just a normal part of human diversity, and that Autistic traits involve both extreme weaknesses and extreme strengths.

Interesting scientific publication on Autism and neurodiversity :
Autism as a Natural Human Variation: Reflections on the Claims of the Neurodiversity Movement

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Conclusion

Some autism inside the narrow conception of neurodiversity can be seen as a natural variation
on par with for example homosexuality. (Lower-functioning autism is also part of natural
variation but may rightly be viewed as a disability.) Just as homosexuals in a homo-phobic
society, the conditions in which autists have to live in an autism-incompatible or even autism-
phobic society are unreasonable. Therefore, it is not fair to place the locus of the problem
solely on the autistic individual. What also is needed is a discourse about the detrimental
effects of an autism-incompatible and autism-phobic society on the well-being of autists.
Therefore, in the case of high-functioning autists, society should not stigmatize these persons
as being disabled, or as having a disorder or use some other deficit-based language to refer to
these people. It is much less morally problematic to refer to the particular vulnerability of
these autists. Also, group-specific rights for autists are needed to ensure that the autistic
culture is treated with genuine equality.
It is our conclusion that it is wrong to subsume all persons with Asperger’s
Syndrome and high-functioning autists into the wide diagnostic category of Autistic Disorder
(Autism Spectrum Disorder), as the work group of the American Psychiatric Association for
the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-V (DSM-V) proposes. Some of
these persons are not benefited with such a psychiatric defect-based diagnosis. In fact, some
of them are being harmed by it, because of the disrespect the diagnosis displays for their
natural way of being, which is of course contradictory to the Hippocratic principle of ‘primum
non nocere’. However, we think that it is still reasonable to include other categories of autism
in the psychiatric diagnostics. The narrow conception of the neurodiversity claim should be
accepted but the broader claim should not.


Interesting scientific publication on Autism and neurodiversity :
The Cerebral Subject and the Challenge of Neurodiversity

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Abstract
The neurodiversity movement has so far been dominated by autistic people who believe their
condition is not a disease to be treated and, if possible, cured, but rather a human specificity (like
sex or race) that must be equally respected. Autistic self-advocates largely oppose groups of parents
of autistic children and professionals searching for a cure for autism. This article discusses the positions
of the pro-cure and anti-cure groups. It also addresses the emergence of autistic cultures and
various issues concerning autistic identities. It shows how identity issues are frequently linked to
a ‘neurological self-awareness’ and a rejection of psychological interpretations. It argues that
the preference for cerebral explanations cannot be reduced to an aversion to psychoanalysis
or psychological culture. Instead, such preference must be understood within the context of the diffusion
of neuroscientific claims beyond the laboratory and their penetration in different domains of
life in contemporary biomedicalized societies. Within this framework, neuroscientific theories, practices,
technologies and therapies are influencing the ways we think about ourselves and relate to
others, favoring forms of neurological or cerebral subjectivation. The article shows how neuroscientific
claims are taken up in the formation of identities, as well as social and community networks.



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08 Feb 2015, 4:00 pm

TheDarkMage wrote:
its the mental health version of multiculturalism


spot on.. that's a very acute perception



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08 Feb 2015, 5:16 pm

B19 wrote:
TheDarkMage wrote:
its the mental health version of multiculturalism


spot on.. that's a very acute perception


I disagree with that notion.

Autism involves both strengths and weaknesses in comparison with the general (neurotypical) population.

Autistic strengths typically involve:
* a reduced need for variety
* a greater eye for detail
* a greater affinity for logic, exact sciences, engineering and programming
* a reduced sensitivity to prejudice/bias
* a decreased sensitivity to propaganda or advertising
* a greater capacity for thinking out of the box

Some of the greatest artists, scientists and engineers the world has ever known certainly or likely had Autism.

By labeling Autism as a disorder, you ignore the advantages that Autistic people have.



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08 Feb 2015, 5:36 pm

aspiesavant wrote:
B19 wrote:
TheDarkMage wrote:
its the mental health version of multiculturalism


spot on.. that's a very acute perception


I disagree with that notion.

Autism involves both strengths and weaknesses in comparison with the general (neurotypical) population.

Autistic strengths typically involve:
* a reduced need for variety
* a greater eye for detail
* a greater affinity for logic, exact sciences, engineering and programming
* a reduced sensitivity to prejudice/bias
* a decreased sensitivity to propaganda or advertising
* a greater capacity for thinking out of the box

Some of the greatest artists, scientists and engineers the world has ever known certainly or likely had Autism.

By labeling Autism as a disorder, you ignore the advantages that Autistic people have.


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08 Feb 2015, 5:43 pm

People with all types of minds and abilities, together as one which includes NTs.


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08 Feb 2015, 6:04 pm

I have never been in the "disorder" camp, never will be.



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08 Feb 2015, 6:40 pm

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08 Feb 2015, 6:47 pm

Note that the notion that "everyone is a genius" is obviously an exaggeration, but it does illustrate quite well that individuals with different cognitive styles cannot all be measured by the same criteria.

Adding to this notion, check out the following video, which illustrates pretty well that most people (including scientists, political leaders and religions leaders) tend to be clueless on the vast majority of issues.



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09 Feb 2015, 11:31 am

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