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22 May 2015, 10:18 am

For those of you who are against government help for people who are in need of help, please read this...
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/22/7_ideas ... l_partner/



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24 May 2015, 12:29 am

The article is not primarily about poverty being a trap.



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24 May 2015, 12:58 am

I so wish my husband would read this. He's a fiscal conservative-- became one as soon as he started making more than $500 in a week.

He forgets very easily how little it would take for him to be standing in a radically different pair of shoes...

...but, of course, he's a self-made man who pulled himself up by the boot straps the hard way. Nobody bailed him out. [/sarcasm]


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24 May 2015, 8:34 am

starkid wrote:
The article is not primarily about poverty being a trap.

How so? The title might not state it, but it's all about how people are stuck in poverty and how hard it is to escape the system as it's currently set up...



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24 May 2015, 8:46 am

This is how the "system" has been designed to ensure a maxium amount of suffering to sinister-forces...

pcuser wrote:
starkid wrote:
The article is not primarily about poverty being a trap.

How so? The title might not state it, but it's all about how people are stuck in poverty and how hard it is to escape the system as it's currently set up...


P.S.: George Carlin was a genius who educated through entertainment via stand-up comedy for those who don't know about him. Most of the time the videos with George Carlin will be under the "education" rather than "comedy" category (and for good reason).


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24 May 2015, 8:50 am

My parents are conservatives and I want to change that. :x



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24 May 2015, 12:41 pm

pcuser wrote:
starkid wrote:
The article is not primarily about poverty being a trap.

How so? The title might not state it, but it's all about how people are stuck in poverty and how hard it is to escape the system as it's currently set up...

The purpose of the article is to explain how fiscal conservatism is incompatible with social liberalism.



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24 May 2015, 12:42 pm

starkid wrote:
pcuser wrote:
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The article is not primarily about poverty being a trap.

How so? The title might not state it, but it's all about how people are stuck in poverty and how hard it is to escape the system as it's currently set up...

The purpose of the article is to explain how fiscal conservatism is incompatible with social liberalism.

Again, it shows how poverty is a trap...



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24 May 2015, 4:56 pm

BuyerBeware wrote:
I so wish my husband would read this. He's a fiscal conservative-- became one as soon as he started making more than $500 in a week. He forgets very easily how little it would take for him to be standing in a radically different pair of shoes ... but, of course, he's a self-made man who pulled himself up by the boot straps the hard way. Nobody bailed him out. [/sarcasm]
Why the sarcasm? I am also a self-made man who pulled myself up by the boot straps the hard way, and nobody bailed me out, either. I put myself through university, earned an MSEE, and now work as an electrical engineer in the transportation field. I am also a fiscal conservative who believes that handouts are a waste of money.

So what's the problem?

It's people like Greta Christina, who believe that one person being fiscally conservative causes other people to be poor, when actually doing nothing while waiting for handouts from others is one of the main causes of poverty - along with medical debt, drug addiction, alcoholism, criminality, gambling, and an over-reaching sense of entitlement.



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24 May 2015, 6:27 pm

...Yeah :(



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24 May 2015, 6:51 pm

This thread needs more reading material about how the control-system is anarcho-capitalist...

...I have been the "richest player" within enough multi-player video-games in the past that allowed you to pretty much "own" the entire economy & can tell you from first-hand experience that, once you have a monopoly on everything, you literally have a monopoly on just about everything, and basically have the power of a god to be able to decide who is allowed to obtain basic needs or even who is going to die. One person controlling an entire economy can literally prevent anybody else from obtaining wealth at any significant level (but in the real-world version, you can still give the peons the illusion of being rich, for even doctor's wages would be regarded as chump-change if you owned the economy itself).

For those would would rather "hear" the reasons & causes can listen here instead...

I should add that additional reasons for "poverty" have to do with America's police-state and its extortionist-system of forcing everybody to be taxed & fined or punished for everything. Just put "Police State USA" into a You-Tube search & see for yourself that America has indeed become a Nazi-style Police-State. Last time I visited a court a man was there explaining to the judge that he "drove" that day in order to try & get to work so that he could earn a wage in order to be able to put food on the plates of his children in order to feed his family & keep a roof over their heads (and skipping the rest of the details, the judge decided that, instead of having pay the 700$US fine for driving while license suspended, they will reduce it to a 500$US fine instead, that they expected him to STILL have to pay, instead of just giving the man & break from the ridiculous racketeering extortion-scheme that is our corrupt police & corrupt court-systems. I should also add that, unless you know how to speak legalese & can see through all of the lies of the system, that you CANNOT get a "Driver's License" unsuspended UNTIL any and ALL out-standing "fines" have been FULLY "paid for").


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26 May 2015, 6:27 pm

Fnord wrote:
BuyerBeware wrote:
I so wish my husband would read this. He's a fiscal conservative-- became one as soon as he started making more than $500 in a week. He forgets very easily how little it would take for him to be standing in a radically different pair of shoes ... but, of course, he's a self-made man who pulled himself up by the boot straps the hard way. Nobody bailed him out. [/sarcasm]
Why the sarcasm? I am also a self-made man who pulled myself up by the boot straps the hard way, and nobody bailed me out, either. I put myself through university, earned an MSEE, and now work as an electrical engineer in the transportation field. I am also a fiscal conservative who believes that handouts are a waste of money.

So what's the problem?

It's people like Greta Christina, who believe that one person being fiscally conservative causes other people to be poor, when actually doing nothing while waiting for handouts from others is one of the main causes of poverty - along with medical debt, drug addiction, alcoholism, criminality, gambling, and an over-reaching sense of entitlement.



However a lot of people look for work and cannot find any like me. Everyone says how easy it is supposed to be to get work and out of poverty or become self-employed. I tried to become self-employed and failed due to a lack of clients. Not everyone can go to uni because barriers are put up to keep certain people out of uni. I wanted to go to uni but my government needs me to go through a three year preparatory course that I will without doubt fail because you cannot do superb in some subjects because if there is only one subject with a failing grade, you fail the whole thing. I have been unemployed for only six months. However there are people out there who are desperate for a job and have been unemployed for years but with every application they get rejected.

How do you expect these people to survive? Through the good belief of the fiscal conservative that people will be charitable enough to give a hand? Not that many people are charitable and even when they are charitable, the money goes to starving children and not people who cannot find work.

There are still welfare leeches out there, but not even half of the unemployed are welfare leeches.



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27 May 2015, 12:08 am

Fnord wrote:
BuyerBeware wrote:
I so wish my husband would read this. He's a fiscal conservative-- became one as soon as he started making more than $500 in a week. He forgets very easily how little it would take for him to be standing in a radically different pair of shoes ... but, of course, he's a self-made man who pulled himself up by the boot straps the hard way. Nobody bailed him out. [/sarcasm]
Why the sarcasm? I am also a self-made man who pulled myself up by the boot straps the hard way, and nobody bailed me out, either. I put myself through university, earned an MSEE, and now work as an electrical engineer in the transportation field. I am also a fiscal conservative who believes that handouts are a waste of money.


I suppose you built the university yourself, without any help from professors. Then you invented MSEE without any help from scientists. Then you got a job without any help from employers or customers.

I can't read the phrase 'self-made man' with a straight face any more.



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27 May 2015, 12:15 am

the comfortably oblivious people who say that the best way to avoid ruinous medical debt is to 1]never get sick, and 2] choose your parents more carefully, can all go suck rotten eggs for all I care. they are like Marie Antoinette saying "let them [the starving peasants] eat cake," with a smirk.