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12 Apr 2015, 12:27 pm

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12 Apr 2015, 4:00 pm

I think pretty much everyone is pro-treatment, as long as the treatment is actually helpful. I'm really sick of the stereotype that opposing a cure means you don't want to help autistics function better.



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12 Apr 2015, 4:20 pm

I don't believe in a cure but I do believe that it is beneficial for individuals on the spectrum to attend etqiuette /social classes where we would learn how to respond in social situations. I think that was my biggest issue growing up- that I never ever responded correctly in social situations because I didn't get the 'social etiquette' book that everyone else seemed to. Not sure if such classes are actually a real thing but a book I once read described a main character attending them and it sounded like a good idea.
HOWEVER I am absolutely fundamentally opposed to 'treatment' where something like someone being forced to make eye contact for long periods of time and other 'behavior changing' methods in order to make an autistic as normal as possible. So I guess it depends on which you were asking about.


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12 Apr 2015, 7:36 pm

Define "cure".

I'm all for anything that helps me feel more comfortable when I have to interact with people and deal with sensory issues.

Other than that, it would be like trying to "cure" evolution.



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13 Apr 2015, 11:19 pm

I have mixed feelings about curing us but I do support trying to treat the symptoms that are bothersome.


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14 Apr 2015, 12:35 am

nyxjord wrote:
I don't believe in a cure but I do believe that it is beneficial for individuals on the spectrum to attend etqiuette /social classes where we would learn how to respond in social situations. I think that was my biggest issue growing up- that I never ever responded correctly in social situations because I didn't get the 'social etiquette' book that everyone else seemed to. Not sure if such classes are actually a real thing


They are real; I attend one that's affiliated with my university right now. It takes students and non-students, and has different groups for children, teens and adults. There are ten of us including the NT group leaders, and we meet once a week and discuss social situations, our experiences with them, and effective ways of dealing with them. We get lists of tips for specific situations, like dating or confrontation, and we do role-plays one on one with other group members. I really enjoy it, and everyone in my family has said they've noticed an improvement in my social skills since I started it.


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14 Apr 2015, 2:06 am

I am splitting this up into treatment for hyper/hypo ... as totally separate from ASD.

I think - on the whole, I am pro treatment of these conditions. Maybe that is because THESE conditions did NOT add anything I consider "of value" to my life and removing of them is removing of something which stands in the way.
Getting rid of them was - to me - a positive thing.

I am hoping to get feedback from others on that though. It is not NECESSARILY a positive thing in all circumstances. Luckily the tool I found to "Fix them" can undo it if a person desires.

Treatment of ASD itself? Undecided. One of the reasons I am here. To try to make up my mind.
It is a deep ethical issue to me.



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14 Apr 2015, 2:24 am

nyxjord wrote:
I don't believe in a cure but I do believe that it is beneficial for individuals on the spectrum to attend etqiuette /social classes where we would learn how to respond in social situations. I think that was my biggest issue growing up- that I never ever responded correctly in social situations because I didn't get the 'social etiquette' book that everyone else seemed to. Not sure if such classes are actually a real thing but a book I once read described a main character attending them and it sounded like a good idea.


Ya! let's just tell all the black people out there that you need to paint you skin white or you will not be socially accepted.

WE DON'T NEED A DAMN CURE!! WHAT WE NEED IS SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE!!



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14 Apr 2015, 3:27 am

Definitely pro treatment, considering I've figured out a treatment protocol that's worked very well for me and I'm living a second life for it. Diet/cleanses/probiotics etc. If you're interested in what I've done, feel free to pm me.


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14 Apr 2015, 3:33 am

LupaLuna wrote:
Ya! let's just tell all the black people out there that you need to paint you skin white or you will not be socially accepted.

WE DON'T NEED A DAMN CURE!! WHAT WE NEED IS SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE!!


Poor comparison.

Um, yeah.. you're not going to get social acceptance for behaviour that is pretty much the definition of socially unacceptable. So, I completely disagree with you on that.


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14 Apr 2015, 11:21 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Um, yeah.. you're not going to get social acceptance for behaviour that is pretty much the definition of socially unacceptable. So, I completely disagree with you on that.


Many things autistics do that are 'socially unacceptable' are considered just fine in other cultures. For example, in many cultures, direct eye contact can be a sign of disrespect, while averting your eyes is respectful. Hans Asperger mentioned one of his kids using the same form of 'you' ('du') for all people, be they other children or adults, and getting in trouble for this because German requires different forms of 'you' depending on your relative status towards your social partner. In English, of course, using 'you' to refer to both children and adults is perfectly fine. Some cultures say things a lot more directly, too, while others use indirect phrasing. Some things are insulting to certain cultures and not others. My father's relatives, who came from Belgium, refer to a family member as 'dikke Marie' (fat Marie), and she is not in the least offended, because being fat isn't judged negatively in Belgian culture. In certain parts of Africa, it's considered normal to ululate when excited at a sports game. Here, that would get you some strange looks.

What makes a behaviour 'socially unacceptable' is the culture context, not the behaviour itself. Calling someone 'fat Marie' is only insulting if people think fat is something shameful.

Plus, even if it's behaviour that is abnormal in any culture, that doesn't make it bad. Flapping your hands hurts no one else. It's just unusual. I would only tell someone their behaviour was unacceptable if it had some potential to cause harm to themselves or others. Otherwise, I'd just say something like 'most people don't flap their hands, and might think you were strange if you did, but there's nothing wrong with it'. Or 'yes, she's fat, but she probably doesn't want to be fat and would rather you not point it out to her'.