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24 Mar 2007, 4:47 pm

Many people on WP have known since childhood that they have AS, but I did not even hear of it until almost 2 years ago, when I was 19. I always just thought that I was odd, or perhaps the natural product of a treacherous upbringing. It's only been in the last few months that I've begun to really view myself as an Aspie; as being segregated socially from non-Aspies.
At first, it seemed like this new knowledge could be beneficial: now that I had identified the issue, I could see it more clearly, address it more directly, and use the awareness of it to my advantage...
But I've found that social situations have actually become quite a bit more difficult for me. I have a lot more anxiety, always wondering, "Is my Asperger's showing? Is it obvious? Am I being judged?" as well as depression and thoughts like,"Why even bother trying to make friends or be sociable? It always ends up badly and I am consistently disappointed in myself and others. It is so demoralizing. Better to just be alone and spare myself the embarrassment and subsequent resentment."

The awareness that I might be acting strangely is a big part of what causes me to act strangely in the first place. I've found that my odd behaviour is actually more prevalent when I'm around NTs that when I'm alone. It feels like time slows down and I don't know what to do with my hands. I used to smoke which addressed that problem... but now that I've quit I get very nervous and fidget with things.

I'm really frustrated.

One thing that I have noticed that helps is if I can see myself in a mirror. Anyone else experienced this? As long as I can monitor myself visually, I can be totally "normal". It helps to have a lot of mirrors around my house so I can practice throughout the day, trying different facial expressions and postures and such until I find one that seems good, and then I memorize how the muscles feel so I can reproduce the action later without being able to see myself. Gosh, that sounds bizarre.



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24 Mar 2007, 5:01 pm

Try talking to people you might want to befriend, and begin a conversation. Talk about what interests you. Try not to think about whether or not you are being rejected or judged. If they accept you, they accept you. If they don't, they don't.

But the important thing is to try. It might take several tries, but it will pay off in the end.

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24 Mar 2007, 5:05 pm

Chimaera1618 wrote:

One thing that I have noticed that helps is if I can see myself in a mirror. Anyone else experienced this? As long as I can monitor myself visually, I can be totally "normal". It helps to have a lot of mirrors around my house so I can practice throughout the day, trying different facial expressions and postures and such until I find one that seems good, and then I memorize how the muscles feel so I can reproduce the action later without being able to see myself. Gosh, that sounds bizarre.


I use mirrors like this, but not to be 'normal'. I look for what i find attractive, and aim for that. It's usually not how others look though. I also use them to affirm my own existence in this reality. Once I no longer can appear in mirrors, I shall know that I've suceeded



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24 Mar 2007, 5:06 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Try talking to people you might want to befriend, and begin a conversation. Talk about what interests you. Try not to think about whether or not you are being rejected or judged. If they accept you, they accept you. If they don't, they don't.

But the important thing is to try. It might take several tries, but it will pay off in the end.

Tim



Well said tim. :)



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24 Mar 2007, 5:08 pm

Fraz_2006 wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Try talking to people you might want to befriend, and begin a conversation. Talk about what interests you. Try not to think about whether or not you are being rejected or judged. If they accept you, they accept you. If they don't, they don't.

But the important thing is to try. It might take several tries, but it will pay off in the end.

Tim



Well said tim. :)


Thanks!

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24 Mar 2007, 5:08 pm

My experience has been entirely different. I have been, of course, aspie all of my life - now 53 years - but did not know that my specific wierdness had a name until a couple of months ago.

Liberation!

I am going to guess that my aspiness has been hanging out all of my life. But I know what and to some degree why now. And I probably am about as aspie as I have been the entire time.

Some people actually like me, and indeed my "coming out" as aspie, as specifically strange, as opposed to only generally so hasn't altered much externally.

For me knowlwdge is bliss. And I found WP. And a group nearby. And I have met people like meeeeeeeee!

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24 Mar 2007, 6:34 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Try talking to people you might want to befriend, and begin a conversation. Talk about what interests you. Try not to think about whether or not you are being rejected or judged. If they accept you, they accept you. If they don't, they don't.

But the important thing is to try. It might take several tries, but it will pay off in the end.

Tim


That's what I do. :)



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24 Mar 2007, 6:40 pm

I never knew about AS, never really even cared. Just always thought things were weird for me. I always viewed myself different.

I found out about AS and related to it very well. I went through the same thing; "Are people noticing how weird I'm acting?" etc. I found that the feeling wears off. I'm not now wondering those things but just enjoying stuff.



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24 Mar 2007, 7:11 pm

Chimaera1618 wrote:
But I've found that social situations have actually become quite a bit more difficult for me. I have a lot more anxiety, always wondering, "Is my Asperger's showing? Is it obvious? Am I being judged?" as well as depression and thoughts like,"Why even bother trying to make friends or be sociable?
...
The awareness that I might be acting strangely is a big part of what causes me to act strangely in the first place. I've found that my odd behaviour is actually more prevalent when I'm around NTs that when I'm alone. It feels like time slows down and I don't know what to do with my hands.


I'm the same way. Once I've registered that there are people around who may be looking at me, I panic and try to remember how I'm supposed to look. Well, think about it. How are you supposed to look when you're just standing? There was a point when I had gotten the hang of it and just detached and not worried, but then I found out I had AS and now it's probably worse than its ever been. The only thing you can do is just be around people enough to feel comfortable around people.

God, what a stupid condition this is.



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24 Mar 2007, 7:57 pm

I always felt oddly detached from my body and self-conscious of how I might be perceived by others.High school was probably the most intense time for this and I have mostly out grown it.

I had actually come to the conclusion that I am a happier person without a lot of human contact,before I found out about AS,so it hasnt had an impact on that part of my life.I was always curious "why" I felt different.I studied psychology,observed people.I had some bizzare delussions about past lives and being an alien or analysed why I was feeling or "reacted to" in a certain way by others.For me,AS has been liberating in that I no longer feel the need to be hyper aware to figure out "why".I have always excepted myself but felt hurt by how others acted towards me.Now I can just see it as a different way of communicating and cut them a little slack for not understanding my language.It makes it easier to tolerate the occasional misunderstandings and makes me more willing to try a different way to communicate until I find the right words that they will understand....thats the point of communicating,being understood.In the past I would have been more likely to blame them for not understanding.

Hope that makes sense.A bit difficult to put into words.


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25 Mar 2007, 2:54 am

I am with nutbag, I am me, take it or leave it.

Everyone has the same with people they do not know, groups, they fake it. The reason they live on small talk is because anything deeper they fall apart. To learn them watch them leave.

They dress well and sit up stright in church, keep it together till they leave, then by the time they get into the car they are changing, the smile is gone, angers return, they hiss at one another. Each has an ambition to get away from the others. It takes everything they can muster to get through an hour.

Consider that we may just live faster and deeper.

Artists have special problems, having to work a crowd for money. I recomend using shills. Artists have problems with marketing. They work alone, then sell to groups, and those who spend are not ever invited for tea.

No one likes many people. Friends often do not like each other, it is just an easy mutual use. You are uncomfortable because you have hope. Get over it. Goals work much better.

Whatever it is, you are there to work the crowd. What is in it for me, is everyone's goal. You are not socializing with humans at an art show, you are selling art, stick to business. Lots of people crave more attention than they get. Yes, they are sick, but that is another story.

Look around, you know a few who want more attention, it shows. Ask them to help. You cannot go around saying "Arn't I great." but they can. They can be deflectors that you, as the Princess with magic wand, draw people in, and they move in, take over, and lead them away for the pitch. When trapped you can have secret hand signals to call them to your aid.

I have worked openings. Well dressed, intelligent, somewhat odd, but passable in such places. My comments of, " My New York friends are very impressed with this work, it will not be long till there is another zero on the price," have gotten checkbooks out. Yes, we did it for the money!

Plainly social events are another matter, hardly any money to pick up, but maybe later. I have simple goals again, finding three people to take home for a night of wild sex. Yes one's are easy, two's about, but working the crowd for a triple takes involvement and skill. I noticed everyone was hitting on everyone, and not liking things directed at me, found that I could speak to anyone about what a cute ass someone else had. I am not so blunt, but the straightest of girls look over the other girls from a professional point of view. And men drool.

There are two reactions, attraction/repulsition. but it is directed at others. I just play the crowd. I learn about their perceptions, agree with them, and they think I am wise. If I stay busy I have not time to be self concious, which I am not, hence, I freeze, figget, and react badly when I have to deal directly with others.

I do not read people well, I am face blind, have no memory for names, but I can see where someone's eyes are looking. I humor their distractions. A looks across the room at B, several times. I walk up to A and am also looking at B, I say something like, "great party, the flowers are in full bloom," and forgeting I am wierd, A agrees. Who is B? I ask, and it is not long till A sees a move, walks me over and introduces me. B likes the attention, I mention how great A is, and then slide off leaving them alone.

It works well on the couple circut. Anything that advances their non plan is well treated. Male female have a sexual relation. Shocking isn't it. Some males have male male sex, but female female is a whole nother story.

I have observed them growing up. They seem like Lesbians, but they are not. Males have a shallow point of view, Duh! Non sexual little girls get together, take baths together, sleep together, do each other's hair, there is a lot of touching, petting, fondeling, cuddling, grooming, and bodily contact, hot breath wispering close in the ear while being held, and running off upstairs to change clothes.

As they get older, becoming sexual in body, it continues. I got my little girl a large high quality plate glass mirror, she has worn it out. Being good at math and angles, seeing how she had set it up in the closet, the lighting, where she would stand, she could see from the neck down if she stood as far back as she could get, and from the waist down if closer. Practice before a mirror I know.

She has always treated me well, we are friends. She will take a bath, do her hair, get well dressed, and then come down and almost kick me to get in the car now! It seems we had a girl to pick up who is spending the weekend. I do not drive fast enough to please her. No talking is allowed, the girl goes in the back seat, we rush home, and without a thank you, they run off upstairs for a bath.

I am not allowed upstairs when she has a friend over. I can call from downstairs when there is food. In as long as it takes to dress they come down, are very well behaved young ladies, then are back upstairs. Every time I see them over the weekend their hair is different, clothes are changed and exchanged, sometimes they are clean scrubed, sometimes in full makup with glitter and perfume.

I have identified two classes. She has friends who she introduces to me, and repeats their names so I will remember. I am supposed to talk to them. They are her people. The other group does not have names, I am not to speak to them, they are very cute and girly, and the turnover is high. They are her weekend girls. She used to do reruns, but mostly it is a one time thing. She just wants to get them naked and in her room for the weekend.

She came to me with furrowed brow, her I can read, "What is the matter Princess?" I can tell she is hurt and confused. She is very mad because a girl she was kissing wanted to have sex with her. Sex, says I, do people still do that? Some, she says, but not me. Well you can if you want to, and you can not if you don't want to. "But I thought she was my friend!" Ah, the complexities of life.

You are just going to have to accept that not everyone is perfect like you. You are a Princess. The world should run to please you, but some people have their own problems, which are not yours. Lots of people are going to want a piece of you, but only one has a real use for all those pieces. You have to find people who play in ways you like, it is your life.

She cheers up, goes off to talk on the phone while taking a bath, and is a very different person when she comes back down, kicks me, and we are off to pick up the cutest little fourteen year old I have ever seen. I see the same girls at school, out with their parents, and they look nothing like what rides in my back seat and does not speak.

She is eighteen now, University in the fall. Her friends sleep over during the week, they are very school oriented, I keep her in computers, a laptop that gets passed around between the girls, Full MS Office, and their parents are not as rich and tech as me. I open doors to grades, scholarships, and office skills. They are the smart girls, plain, hardworking, who are going to make something of themselves.

On the weekend she brings home the cutest girl girls I have ever seen. They do not have names, are not to be spoken to or looked at, some stay in her room and she brings food. Born female, but it takes more than a mirror to learn to be good at being a girl. It is study and learning, something very important to her and the other girls. It is like WP, learning yourself through interacting with others like yourself.

Her mother is a hand flapping meltdown type, I am anylitical, she is a calm and self centered person, as long as she gets her way. She is never unreasonable, but she is always right. When she comes to me with a problem, I tell her she is right, the other people have just not thought it through, she should be kind and help them see things her way. She mentions she has not told me the problem yet. It does not matter, the answer is the same.

I see women as another species. Or the species, and males are something lesser. It took her the first week of first grade to learn all about sex and boys. Since then she has been working on being a girl. She is uncomfortable with being touched, looked at, and has had to work on it. She has a Prom Date, but that is it for boys. With girls she has become used to being seen naked, being touched, groomed, showing her moves, being who she is. Girls come all tense and excited on Friday, leave relaxed and dreamey on Sunday. There was no sex involved, only love and seduction. Sex they can do themselves, romantic seduction takes two. It beats a chic flick or a Harliquin Romance. Sex is crude and messy, spontanious erruption is high art.

There are many levels of social interaction between women. They are team players. They will even let outsiders into the game. Any man is something some woman might want, and even an artist that draws crowds has uses. See people for what they are, all gaming on what's in it for me. Alone at a party you might feel awkward, but if you are the man magnet you seem, there are girls who would gladly take the overflow. We are back to marketing art. It is a transaction. Empowering other females to act as your agent gets them something, and gives you some support.

All friendships have some exchange going on. Most just do it, aspies can if they see the underlieing goals. You do not like working alone, others feel out of the spotlight. Cut a deal. As for men, all little girls have dreams, tons of props to go with it, and one Ken doll in his socks in the back of the closet. Ken is not the point of being Barbie.

My girl told me after college she is going to have a house and three children, and lots of girlfriends. I asked about a husband, she made a face and said, of course. She has been a bit miffed since about twelve when she figured out she could not marry me. Now she has to go the college to find one like me and start the training all over, and she just had me broken in.

Sorry I was not around to raise you, I would have told you to find what you are comfortable with and work out from there. You are right, other people have just not had time to think it out. Be kind to them, and they will see you are right. You are special Princess, you are supposed to help the other girls who are not as lucky. You can't have friends and parties by yourself, and neither can they. There are girls just waiting for you to ask their help with all the excitement and glamor of the art world.

To have friends, be one.



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25 Mar 2007, 6:28 am

Inventor, how can you wright such long post? 8O



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27 Mar 2007, 6:38 am

I feel liberated now that I have come to terms with it.

I was always trying to fit in with people and now I know there are so many other Aspies out there and in here just like me, I really don't care.

Finding out has made so much sense of my entire life in all ways, from how I have been excluded by others and how I don't understand a lot of things to to do with social interaction. Its all a lot better than it was and I can emulate 'normal' for the sake of survival pretty well these days.

I might even tell my family soon too :D



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27 Mar 2007, 2:17 pm

I wish I'd never heard about it personally. Well, actually it's a good thing to know about AS and Aspies, but I wish I'd never thought that I have AS, because I can't get diagnosed and all I've done is worry and obsess about it, and haven't worked on my social anxiety problem. And probably I don't fit all the criteria for AS, but I certainly have social problems and no one likes me, but knowing about AS didn't make that any better.