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06 May 2015, 7:53 pm

Hey y'all,

One subject I've wondered about AS (as someone who quite possibly has it [kindergarten teacher suspected it, have been compared to Rain Man once or twice in math class, & a couple ppl made comments pertaining to this]), one thing I have been blessed with is a lot of people who tolerate and/or enjoy talking with me. Part of it may be that my interests (politics, religion, philosophy, & academic/psychometric stuff) lend themselves well to discussion, but another thing I admit might be a contributing factor: pity about low socialization ability.

See, I was elected prom king recently at my school; usually, it's always the sociable jock who gets the prize, but I got it this year, which made me pretty happy (though I admittedly didn't like all the extra attention). I admit to also having gotten special treatment from teachers (like a pass on an incomplete assignment or the benefit of the doubt on grading essays/written stuff) because of an appearance of "innocence."

So, long story short, here's what I'm curious about: is it common to get special things due to one's social ineptness? I feel a little mixed about it. As much as I'd like to think all of my accomplishments were my own doing, I know the external factors that gave me a boost. It would be interesting to see others' stories about this.



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06 May 2015, 8:49 pm

As they say "anything is possible" but it would be quite unusual for an "aspie" to have great social success. It varies but most autistics experience isolation, ridicule or bullying. Besides Aspergers/Autism is a lot, a very lot more then just social awkwardness.

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06 May 2015, 10:22 pm

Part of the reason I ask this is out of curiosity: I do wonder how much of the vote I got for prom king was pity or irony-related. It's one of those things that can drag you down, if you catch my drift.



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06 May 2015, 10:35 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
As they say "anything is possible" but it would be quite unusual for an "aspie" to have great social success. It varies but most autistics experience isolation, ridicule or bullying. Besides Aspergers/Autism is a lot, a very lot more then just social awkwardness.

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No one will exhibit all of these characteristics, as each case of autism has its own unique gifts and struggles. This is a list of commonly seen characteristics found on the autism spectrum. This list is provided for educational purposes and not meant to be used for diagnosing autism. Many of these characteristics can also be found in those struggling with ADD/ADHD. Generally, an individual with autism will have struggles in several categories below, not just one.

List of Characteristics of autism



OK. I'll bold the ones that apply to me now, italicize those that did when I was younger.

Very little or no eye contact.
Resistance to being held or touched.
Tends to get too close when speaking to someone (lack of personal space).
Responds to social interactions, but does not initiate them.
Does not generally share observations or experiences with others.
Difficulty understanding jokes, figures of speech or sarcasm.
Difficulty reading facial expressions and body language.
Difficulty understanding the rules of conversation.social skill deficits
Difficulty understanding group interactions.
[b]Aversion to answering questions about themselves.
[/b]Gives spontaneous comments which seem to have no connection to the current conversation.
Makes honest, but inappropriate observations.
Seems unable to understand another’s feelings.
Prefers to be alone, aloft or overly-friendly.
Difficulty maintaining friendships.
Finds it easier to socialize with people that are older or younger, rather than peers of their own age.
Unaware of/disinterested in what is going on around them.
Talks excessively about one or two topics (dinosaurs, movies, etc.).
Overly trusting or unable to read the motives behinds peoples’ actions.
Minimal acknowledgement of others.



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07 May 2015, 7:19 am

That kind of thing can happen--very occasionally, a school accepts a special needs person as a sort of mascot and gives them extra kindness. I remember there was a guy in my school who seemed kind of "simple" (like a Forest Gump type) that everyone would say "Hi" to in the halls; he was elected homecoming king one year.

If you want to be treated as an equal, it iS kind of insulting to be singled out for extra kindness. All I can say is that it's better than the flip side of the coin: being singled out for bullying. :/



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07 May 2015, 10:36 am

After spending K thru 1st grade in mainstream classes, and 2nd thru 7th in gifted and talented classes, in 8th grade I was sent to a special education school.

At the end of the year they had a graduation ceremony where they handed out a bunch of recognitions and awards. I think that the idea was so everyone would get recognized for something. Anyway they ended up giving me like three times more awards than anyone else, they kept calling my name and I had to keep going up on stage for all these different certificates. And after four or five of these (I got 17 altogether and I don't think anyone else got more than six) I started to get pissed off because if they were going to give me that many then to me it felt like pity and they didn't mean anything at all in that case. At this point in my life I'd never won anything except for a spelling bee, so to win so much all at once felt incredulous.


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07 May 2015, 4:44 pm

arielhawksquill wrote:
That kind of thing can happen--very occasionally, a school accepts a special needs person as a sort of mascot and gives them extra kindness. I remember there was a guy in my school who seemed kind of "simple" (like a Forest Gump type) that everyone would say "Hi" to in the halls; he was elected homecoming king one year.

If you want to be treated as an equal, it iS kind of insulting to be singled out for extra kindness. All I can say is that it's better than the flip side of the coin: being singled out for bullying. :/


I agree. For me, it's tough to determine if something is due to pity or actual, genuine liking; another complicating factor is that "special needs" doesn't really apply to m in the traditional sense, as I have always been an honors student and will be attending Stanford in the fall. But I admit to struggling with social aspects, and it's tough to know if I get pity or am actually appreciated for being myself...



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08 May 2015, 6:43 pm

Unsure123 wrote:
So, long story short, here's what I'm curious about: is it common to get special things due to one's social ineptness? I feel a little mixed about it. As much as I'd like to think all of my accomplishments were my own doing, I know the external factors that gave me a boost. It would be interesting to see others' stories about this.
Great question. I think that lately this... promoting the one who is usually left out to the top, has become a social meme. It's like when they surprise the unknowing kid when their parent returns from Afghanistan. Personally, I think it is a little creepy. If you were a little kid, and your parent is coming home from overseas, wouldn't you love to have a phone call to YOU from your missing parent telling you they will be home Thursday? Wouldn't that mean they love you? What does surprising you mean? It means everyone knew EXCEPT YOU that they were coming home. Same with electing an unpopular kid to prom king or queen? It's like a conspiracy of the popular to "be nice," and give away what they are in charge of. This reminds me of a very popular radio show back when I was a kid in the '40s and '50s called Queen for a Day. It was a half an hour show, and three people, down on their luck, would tell an audience their sad pathetic story. After they each had their chance, then the audience would applaud for the saddest story. The saddest story WINS! and they are Queen for the Day!


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08 May 2015, 7:53 pm

Unsure123 wrote:
Hey y'all,

One subject I've wondered about AS (as someone who quite possibly has it [kindergarten teacher suspected it, have been compared to Rain Man once or twice in math class, & a couple ppl made comments pertaining to this]), one thing I have been blessed with is a lot of people who tolerate and/or enjoy talking with me. Part of it may be that my interests (politics, religion, philosophy, & academic/psychometric stuff) lend themselves well to discussion, but another thing I admit might be a contributing factor: pity about low socialization ability.

See, I was elected prom king recently at my school; usually, it's always the sociable jock who gets the prize, but I got it this year, which made me pretty happy (though I admittedly didn't like all the extra attention). I admit to also having gotten special treatment from teachers (like a pass on an incomplete assignment or the benefit of the doubt on grading essays/written stuff) because of an appearance of "innocence."

So, long story short, here's what I'm curious about: is it common to get special things due to one's social ineptness? I feel a little mixed about it. As much as I'd like to think all of my accomplishments were my own doing, I know the external factors that gave me a boost. It would be interesting to see others' stories about this.


I have not.