Why do NTs Need to do things in Unison?

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18 May 2015, 11:50 am

Holidays, sleeping, eating. I remember in Kindergarten the teacher said it was nap time and all the other kids layed down and closed their eyes. I remember thinking that this was bizarre. How could everyone be tired at the same time? Thus began the initiation into regimentation and my disdain for it has only grown. But NTs seem to thrive on it. Maybe they're like the Borg and can only function with group thought.



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18 May 2015, 11:58 am

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Holidays, sleeping, eating. I remember in Kindergarten the teacher said it was nap time and all the other kids layed down and closed their eyes. I remember thinking that this was bizarre. How could everyone be tired at the same time? Thus began the initiation into regimentation and my disdain for it has only grown. But NTs seem to thrive on it. Maybe they're like the Borg and can only function with group thought.


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18 May 2015, 2:15 pm

Because they derive more pleasure from togetherness than they derive from the activities they do together.

Your kindergarten experience is not a representative example because everybody being expected to nap at the same time is more of a matter of logistics than an illustration of innate behavior; it would be difficult to instruct the class if each student napped whenever she felt like it.



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18 May 2015, 2:25 pm

androbot01 wrote:
I remember in Kindergarten the teacher said it was nap time and all the other kids layed down and closed their eyes. I remember thinking that this was bizarre. How could everyone be tired at the same time?


I never once went to sleep at naptime. My teacher resented me and punished me for it. I never understood why until you wrote this post. I didn't see what the problem was, I was just lying there quietly not bothering anyone. What difference did it make if I went to sleep or not? I see now, she just wanted me to CONFORM.

I always thought it was weird too. I wasn't tired, I wasn't sleepy, how could kids just go to sleep on command like that?



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18 May 2015, 2:56 pm

starkid, you ever wonder why logistics are paramount? I do.

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androbot01 wrote:
I remember in Kindergarten the teacher said it was nap time and all the other kids layed down and closed their eyes. I remember thinking that this was bizarre. How could everyone be tired at the same time?


I never once went to sleep at naptime. My teacher resented me and punished me for it. I never understood why until you wrote this post. I didn't see what the problem was, I was just lying there quietly not bothering anyone. What difference did it make if I went to sleep or not? I see now, she just wanted me to CONFORM.

I always thought it was weird too. I wasn't tired, I wasn't sleepy, how could kids just go to sleep on command like that?

I used to lay down as there seemed to be no choice, but I wouldn't close my eyes. The teacher got mad and insisted that I do. It was frightening.



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18 May 2015, 3:10 pm

That's really a scary thought that a teacher would get mad if a kid wouldn't shut their eyes o.O
I never had any problems, but now I'm wondering what my oldest is going to do when he goes to kindergarten next year. He can't sit still at all, nor can he be quiet.


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18 May 2015, 3:52 pm

androbot01 wrote:
Holidays, sleeping, eating. I remember in Kindergarten the teacher said it was nap time and all the other kids layed down and closed their eyes. I remember thinking that this was bizarre. How could everyone be tired at the same time? Thus began the initiation into regimentation and my disdain for it has only grown. But NTs seem to thrive on it. Maybe they're like the Borg and can only function with group thought.



LOL, they all laid down because it was nap time an they all knew that.

As a kid, my daycare always did nap time for little kids and I was in the age range. I hated it and I would be bored laying there and I couldn't fall asleep. I would keep getting up and teachers would have to bring me back and make me lay down. It was always torture and I am not sure how long it lasted but to me it seemed like forever. I was never an easy child to be put down for a nap lol.

Then I had my son and I decided I would never make him take a nap unless he wanted to. Well he would get over tired and act up and I would be yelling at him all the time saying no no no and he would be shrieking and I would be overwhelmed and my mom told me if I ever make him take naps and I said no because I hated them as a kid so why would I do that to my own child and I enjoy having him around. I thought adults and parents made their kids nap so they can have me time and not have to deal with them and just to get them out of their way. Now I know better.


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18 May 2015, 3:56 pm

We hang out together because it's fun/ nice. Doing logistical things together just makes sense.

Why the logistics matter… I tend to take a bit of a nihilistic view in the sense that it doesn't actually matter at all in the grand scheme of things (nothing does actually). But I figure since we are here on earth anyway, we might as well make the most of it. One could ask why we do anything at all…

We sleep together so we are awake together. If we are awake together, not only can we enjoy each other's company, but we can also maximise productivity. If one person can teach 20 kids instead of 20 people teaching 20 kids, that is more efficient. If people went to work whenever they wanted, then all the stores would not be open together, which means you'd have to wait to find out when that particular store's employees were going to be there in order to buy anything- and that's not efficient (and actually sounds really stupid to me).

We eat together because that way we can save time, energy, money, and resources. One person cooks for numerous people, thus only using the stove once, and we don't waste the food because numerous people eat it. To do it another way is very wasteful. Now why does it matter if we're wasteful- refer to my second paragraph.

My kids never napped at all past infancy, and their daycares allowed them to do a quiet activity instead. My younger son's daycare used to take him out to the kitchen to help them prepare lunch instead because he wasn't capable of being "quiet" either. :lol:


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18 May 2015, 4:17 pm

androbot01 wrote:
I used to lay down as there seemed to be no choice, but I wouldn't close my eyes. The teacher got mad and insisted that I do. It was frightening.


Me too! The teacher was always mad at me about it and yeah it was scary. I just didn't understand why it mattered so much. I was being quiet and not bothering anyone.

One day she was in an especially bad mood, and she told everyone to lie down for naptime and DON'T MOVE. And I couldn't help it because whatever I was laying on had a wrinkle in it that was uncomfortable. I moved a little bit, just to smooth it out, and she got really angry. She told me to STAND UP and spanked me right there in front of everyone.

That woman was a real witch. She was pregnant and everyone said she was mean because she was pregnant. I pity her child. God should have struck that woman with incurable infertility, and she never should have been allowed to become a teacher. I found out she later became the principal of a local elementary school. Figures.



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18 May 2015, 4:39 pm

androbot01 wrote:
I used to lay down as there seemed to be no choice, but I wouldn't close my eyes. The teacher got mad and insisted that I do. It was frightening.


They are possessed and controlled by mind viruses. It is extremely frightening.

A line from the movie Terminator comes to mind. "It can't be reasoned with, ... "



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18 May 2015, 4:46 pm

WelcomeToHolland wrote:
We hang out together because it's fun/ nice. Doing logistical things together just makes sense.

Actually it isn't and it doesnt.
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Why the logistics matter… I tend to take a bit of a nihilistic view in the sense that it doesn't actually matter at all in the grand scheme of things (nothing does actually). But I figure since we are here on earth anyway, we might as well make the most of it. One could ask why we do anything at all…

We sleep together so we are awake together. If we are awake together, not only can we enjoy each other's company, but we can also maximise productivity. If one person can teach 20 kids instead of 20 people teaching 20 kids, that is more efficient. If people went to work whenever they wanted, then all the stores would not be open together, which means you'd have to wait to find out when that particular store's employees were going to be there in order to buy anything- and that's not efficient (and actually sounds really stupid to me).

We eat together because that way we can save time, energy, money, and resources. One person cooks for numerous people, thus only using the stove once, and we don't waste the food because numerous people eat it. To do it another way is very wasteful. Now why does it matter if we're wasteful- refer to my second paragraph.

My kids never napped at all past infancy, and their daycares allowed them to do a quiet activity instead. My younger son's daycare used to take him out to the kitchen to help them prepare lunch instead because he wasn't capable of being "quiet" either. :lol:


Productivity, efficiency, is that really the objective?
What's the goal?
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androbot01 wrote:
I used to lay down as there seemed to be no choice, but I wouldn't close my eyes. The teacher got mad and insisted that I do. It was frightening.


Me too! The teacher was always mad at me about it and yeah it was scary. I just didn't understand why it mattered so much. I was being quiet and not bothering anyone.

One day she was in an especially bad mood, and she told everyone to lie down for naptime and DON'T MOVE. And I couldn't help it because whatever I was laying on had a wrinkle in it that was uncomfortable. I moved a little bit, just to smooth it out, and she got really angry. She told me to STAND UP and spanked me right there in front of everyone.

That woman was a real witch. She was pregnant and everyone said she was mean because she was pregnant. I pity her child. God should have struck that woman with incurable infertility, and she never should have been allowed to become a teacher. I found out she later became the principal of a local elementary school. Figures.

f*****g b***h. What is their problem?



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18 May 2015, 4:51 pm

androbot01 wrote:
starkid, you ever wonder why logistics are paramount? I do.

I don't wonder because I've never thought of logistics as "paramount" except in isolated circumstances. But those isolated circumstances generalize: whenever someone wants to accomplish something complex (such as instructing a class full of children), logistics are necessary to make it happen. Logistics are important (to someone(s)) because the goal toward which it is directed is important.



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18 May 2015, 4:59 pm

starkid wrote:
...whenever someone wants to accomplish something complex (such as instructing a class full of children), logistics are necessary to make it happen.

Logistics are necessary to run a class, but are they to accomplish something complex?



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18 May 2015, 5:32 pm

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Actually it isn't and it doesnt.

I meant for NTs. The title of this thread was "why do NTs need to do things in unison" not "why do I need to do things in unison?"

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Productivity, efficiency, is that really the objective?
What's the goal?

No idea. I'm just a sheep.


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18 May 2015, 5:39 pm

Like how NT girls all go to the bathroom together? I never understood that. I'm a grown up. I can go by myself.
It's not like there's going to be some kind of sewer monster that pops up out of the toilet and tries to pull me in, hence me needing someone there with me to pull me away from the monster. :lol:
And I don't really want someone I know sitting in the next stall, listening to me pee.


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18 May 2015, 5:41 pm

Well, NTS do seem to get something out of it. No doubt. Otherwise it wouldn't be so prevalent. I just don't why it matters so much.