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18 May 2015, 1:39 am

i was just curious what countries you think are the most friendly and suitable to people with our disability or introverted personalities



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18 May 2015, 6:53 am

anthropic_principle wrote:
i was just curious what countries you think are the most friendly and suitable to people with our disability or introverted personalities


Sweden?



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18 May 2015, 11:45 pm

KaylamiYarne wrote:
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i was just curious what countries you think are the most friendly and suitable to people with our disability or introverted personalities


Sweden?


Yeah I heard the nordic countries in general were fairly introverted.
I was thinking that maybe wed be more accepted in foreign places where our differences would be chalked up to being just a weird foreigner, I don't know if this is delusional or not.. either way I'm just interested, i'm not in any position to travel somewhere else.



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19 May 2015, 2:17 am

I think New Zealand is relatively good for an ASD person. Part of this is that there are no hate groups pushing stigma here (as AS does in the USA). There is a lot of ignorance though not overt prejudice. It's just not an issue here, if anything it is regarded - when it's regarded at all - as a curiosity. It may be different for parents with young children though - I suspect they may find themselves a bit marginalised. But overall New Zealand is possibly more tolerant of difference than many other countries - we were the first country to elect a transgender Member of Parliament, no-one cared about that as long as she could do the job well (and she did).

And no-one would regard Sir Peter Jackson as 'normal' or 'mainstream' - he's a supertalented oddball - but he is loved here so much that he was knighted, even if he refuses to wear a tie!



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19 May 2015, 3:13 am

anthropic_principle wrote:
I was thinking that maybe wed be more accepted in foreign places where our differences would be chalked up to being just a weird foreigner, I don't know if this is delusional or not.. either way I'm just interested, i'm not in any position to travel somewhere else.


That is quiet possible. For such country the main requirement is an opposite onw imo - that people there will be in general extravered and sociable, and of course mostly friendly. The point is simple - in such society one with ASD will be considered as "kinda quiet foreigner" but if he wants, he'll be able to have deep enough social contacts with peple around, and even make friends.

I'd point on Mediterranean countries, especially on Turkey and Italy. I've traveled a lot in bot and felt myself as at hope despite local people are often very loud and noisy - they are ready to talk to you if you wish and don't bother if you don't, they are not judging mainly. the only disadvantage is you'd better learn their language at least a bit - not many people speak English even in Rome or Istanbul.



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19 May 2015, 3:51 am

I think small villages by the countryside are the best place for people like us. When me and my boyfriend went to Scotland, we stayed near a small village, and it was like heaven for me. When I went into the small town, I felt I could be myself without feeling judged by other women. I didn't feel women were staring at me, and nearly everybody I walked by smiled or said hello, whether I gave off the wrong vibes or not.

Then me and my boyfriend came out of a small cinema at about 10 o'clock on a Friday night, and there was no trouble in the street, not like most places in Essex where I come from. Most places, including pubs, were shut, and there was no aggressive people getting into fights, or any intimidating gangs loitering about. And me and my boyfriend walked back and didn't run into any rowdy youngsters.

There were teenagers that lived around there, but they were more chastised and they seemed more respectful too. And when I walked along I didn't feel like I had to watch my purse because nobody thought of doing anything like that. And that's good for someone who is scatterbrained like me, because usually I forget myself and have my money on show where people can snatch it.


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19 May 2015, 4:04 am

anthropic_principle wrote:
I was thinking that maybe wed be more accepted in foreign places where our differences would be chalked up to being just a weird foreigner, I don't know if this is delusional or not.. either way I'm just interested, i'm not in any position to travel somewhere else.

Probably true to some extent but you will eventually face difficulties as you try to be integrated into that country. If you are just a visitor it's ok, but if you live there permanently you will no longer be tolerated as a weird foreigner. Well, that's my experience. But some countries are probably better than others. As someone in some other thread said, Australians seem to value social skills a lot and it's probably not a autistic-people-friendly country.



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19 May 2015, 4:35 am

jk1 wrote:
anthropic_principle wrote:
I was thinking that maybe wed be more accepted in foreign places where our differences would be chalked up to being just a weird foreigner, I don't know if this is delusional or not.. either way I'm just interested, i'm not in any position to travel somewhere else.

Probably true to some extent but you will eventually face difficulties as you try to be integrated into that country. If you are just a visitor it's ok, but if you live there permanently you will no longer be tolerated as a weird foreigner. Well, that's my experience. But some countries are probably better than others. As someone in some other thread said, Australians seem to value social skills a lot and it's probably not a autistic-people-friendly country.


I disagree. I work with plenty of Frenchmen here in Russia - they live here for years, and many don't even speak Russian, also many are rather shy IT specialists - so they more than fit the image of "weird foreigners". They don't find much discomfort in this even despite Russian general unfriendliness.



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19 May 2015, 5:41 am

anthropic_principle wrote:
i was just curious what countries you think are the most friendly and suitable to people with our disability or introverted personalities


Put two Finns in an elevator. Neither of them says a word. And they don't feel uneasy at all.



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19 May 2015, 5:56 am

KaylamiYarne wrote:
anthropic_principle wrote:
i was just curious what countries you think are the most friendly and suitable to people with our disability or introverted personalities


Sweden?


Scandinavia is also full of as*holes. I think your best bet is moving just somewhere you'll be thought of as "that weird foreigner", like anthropic_principle said.

Just because people are introverted, doesn't mean people aren't silently judging you behind your back, and sometimes just doing things that are really rude.

Source: I live in Norway, and spend a lot of time in Sweden. Both places I am considered a weirdo, and people are as*holes.



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19 May 2015, 6:12 am

How about Germany? People there seem hard working and predictable.

I was there a few times I was enjoying it. They have dependable public transport and their big cities are not that crowded and loud as cities in Poland. They environment is also way cleaner.

But maybe it's just my feeling because I was visiting tourist cities: Ahlbeck, Dresden and Freiburg.

I couldn't talk to many German people but from what I heard other people feel Germans are: "organized, lack imagination, disciplined, lack sense of humor, stiff, funny when drunk, can't party, goody two shoes. Good looking but sum up - boring".
Sounds pretty "Aspie in NT opinion" to me. :lol:



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19 May 2015, 6:41 am

Kiriae wrote:
How about Germany? People there seem hard working and predictable.

I was there a few times I was enjoying it. They have dependable public transport and their big cities are not that crowded and loud as cities in Poland. They environment is also way cleaner.

But maybe it's just my feeling because I was visiting tourist cities: Ahlbeck, Dresden and Freiburg.

I couldn't talk to many German people but from what I heard other people feel Germans are: "organized, lack imagination, disciplined, lack sense of humor, stiff, funny when drunk, can't party, goody two shoes. Good looking but sum up - boring".
Sounds pretty "Aspie in NT opinion" to me. :lol:


I know one guy who moved to Germany few years ago - dunno if he is an Aspie but definitely he's very shy and not outgoing at all. He lives in Ruhr area, spmewhere near Dusseldorf (major industrial center of BRD) and loves those places.



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19 May 2015, 6:41 am

Kiriae wrote:
How about Germany? People there seem hard working and predictable.

I was there a few times I was enjoying it. They have dependable public transport and their big cities are not that crowded and loud as cities in Poland. They environment is also way cleaner.

But maybe it's just my feeling because I was visiting tourist cities: Ahlbeck, Dresden and Freiburg.

I couldn't talk to many German people but from what I heard other people feel Germans are: "organized, lack imagination, disciplined, lack sense of humor, stiff, funny when drunk, can't party, goody two shoes. Good looking but sum up - boring".
Sounds pretty "Aspie in NT opinion" to me. :lol:


Interesting. I heard somewhere that universities are tuition free for international students there too so that is something to consider, thanks for the input.



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19 May 2015, 7:17 am

anthropic_principle wrote:
Kiriae wrote:
How about Germany? People there seem hard working and predictable.

I was there a few times I was enjoying it. They have dependable public transport and their big cities are not that crowded and loud as cities in Poland. They environment is also way cleaner.

But maybe it's just my feeling because I was visiting tourist cities: Ahlbeck, Dresden and Freiburg.

I couldn't talk to many German people but from what I heard other people feel Germans are: "organized, lack imagination, disciplined, lack sense of humor, stiff, funny when drunk, can't party, goody two shoes. Good looking but sum up - boring".
Sounds pretty "Aspie in NT opinion" to me. :lol:


Interesting. I heard somewhere that universities are tuition free for international students there too so that is something to consider, thanks for the input.


That is true in many Lands of Germany. However you should prove sufficient knowledge of German for this - by complex tests like TestDAF.

However while tuition is free, accomodation is not, and in many cities it's rather expensive, especially in Munich and Hamburg. It can easily be say $1000-1500 per month including everything from students bus ticket to housing, food and schoolbooks.



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19 May 2015, 7:27 am

I think it maybe depends on the person because I don't have any desire to live in any of the countries people mentioned here



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19 May 2015, 12:43 pm

I wonder about Austria home of Hans Asperger and the place where Leo Kanner immigrated from.


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