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19 Jul 2015, 7:16 am

(I am not using the term NT - neurotypical - to be pejorative, I'm just using it to say non-autistic)

I have an AS friend (who I met on this site) who is now in total denial about his autism.

It's got the point where he is reducing time spent with me, becasue I'm autistic and a "bad example" to copy from.

He hangs around for several hours a day with NTs, emulating them and trying to copy them, trying to BE them.

He will spend whole weekends trying to surround himself with NTs, and he rarely answers my texts (all week round, not just the weekend) and I even try to call him sometimes, and obviously he won't answer. Then he texts several hours later telling me not to "be silly" when I ask him why he communicates with everyone else freely, but ignores me a lot, and the same with my other autistic friend I met online (he used to be friends with her too but now he hasn't communicated with her since Christmas).

It's getting really stupid, his total denial (despite the fact that he's obviously autistic) and the way he is driving out all autistic connections from his life. He hasn't been on this site for ages now and has actually forgotten his password.

This guy used to be a profoundly helpful person. Now he only sees me after cancelling four times in a row, and then rushing the whole visit so he can get home sooner. We don't socialise really when we meet up. I don't do social. I don't like social. But I need his help with things. He was like a support worker to me in the past, helping me with things. Now he is trying to block me out of his life...because I'm autistic and he rejects all autism.

What can I do about this? Or should I be finding a new friend? As I said, I don't do social, so finding a friend that does what this guy and I do (meet up only when something needs fixing, something needs done, or advice is required) would be hard.

I give him advice and help too, where possible. I feel like I should just forget about him.


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19 Jul 2015, 7:48 am

SteelMaiden wrote:

This guy used to be a profoundly helpful person. Now he only sees me after cancelling four times in a row, and then rushing the whole visit so he can get home sooner. We don't socialise really when we meet up. I don't do social. I don't like social. But I need his help with things. He was like a support worker to me in the past, helping me with things. Now he is trying to block me out of his life...because I'm autistic and he rejects all autism.

What can I do about this? Or should I be finding a new friend? As I said, I don't do social, so finding a friend that does what this guy and I do (meet up only when something needs fixing, something needs done, or advice is required) would be hard..


Why were you "friends" with this guy? From what I quoted above, it sounds like you only wanted him around for what he could do for you. He was an extremely "helpful person?" That is not a friend, that is an aide. You need someone to get things done or to help you fix something? That is a person for hire, not a friend. You need advice? That is provided by a therapist.

Now a friend may do all those things...help with projects, give advice, etc. BUT that is not the main point of having a FRIEND. A friend is someone you enjoy spending time with just because. Just because you like him, not because of what he can do for you. Someone who you CARE about - what's going on with HIM, what's important to HIM.

I hope I am wrong, but from the above quotation, it sounds like you used this guy, not that you were true friends. I am curious what his actual reasons are for not wanting to spend time with you anymore.



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19 Jul 2015, 7:51 am

Him and I agreed a long time ago that our friendship was mostly functional.

I am not upset or anything like that. Just want advice on how I can fix this situation.

He helps me, I help him. We have always liked it that way.

I don't do social. Meeting up for a coffee, to see a film or calling up for a chat, never happens in my life.


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19 Jul 2015, 8:02 am

What's wrong with wanting NT friends? Being able to function in mainstream society should be the goal of any autistic person. Sounds to me like he wants actual friends, not just people who use him for stuff, and you're jealous.

And there's nothing wrong with that. People get jealous sometimes. Lord knows I do. But being able to recognize our own faults is an important life skill. If someone doesn't want to hang out with you, and your first reaction is to blame them, well... that's probably why they don't want to hang out with you. Just sayin'.



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19 Jul 2015, 8:07 am

No I just haven't got any other people like him. He is different to others I have known in the past.

I have asked him if he thinks I'm using him in the past (as my mum said I was) and he said no. He asks me to pay for his pizza etc when we eat out (I cannot remember the last time he paid for food we've eaten together) and he uses my taxi account to get taxis back to the station, without my consent (I often only find out when I get a confirmation email).

So I guess our friendship is pretty atypical.

I will just let him do what he wants. I'd just be stuck without him because, as I said, he helps me. I do help him in response, as my dad told me that in such situations there's "give and take".

I get really uncomfortable with friends who ask me "can we meet up and go for a walk together?" or "call me if you want a chat", I end up just ignoring their messages. My psychiatrist said I might have Social Anxiety.

My mum is very social. I have to see her once a week to make her happy and it often involves me meditating beforehand and taking extra meds to cope with socialising. And even then, I don't say much and let her do all the talking.


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19 Jul 2015, 8:08 am

Actually yes I shouldn't have derided him for hanging out with NT friends. That was wrong of me. I am not good at understanding social nuances and rules. I apologise.


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19 Jul 2015, 8:11 am

What can you do about this?

Nothing.

It's his life, let him live it the way he chooses.



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19 Jul 2015, 8:13 am

Fnord wrote:
What can you do about this?

Nothing.

It's his life, let him live it the way he chooses.


Yes that is good advice. I will do exactly that.


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19 Jul 2015, 8:14 am

This is a point where I need to learn how to be more self sufficient. I will get a job one day, I need to learn skills on how to do certain things without help.


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19 Jul 2015, 8:38 am

Maybe he is not getting much out of you opposed to that he was doing things for you.

I usually stop being friends with those who are useless for me. And I am very self sufficient. So I don't need those kind of friendships.

It's very easy nowadays to learn to fix or build things just from informations available online. Once you start fixing things yourself, it will come easier.



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19 Jul 2015, 8:41 am

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Maybe he is not getting much out of you opposed to that he was doing things for you.

I usually stop being friends with those who are useless for me. And I am very self sufficient. So I don't need those kind of friendships.

It's very easy nowadays to learn to fix or build things just from informations available online. Once you start fixing things yourself, it will come easier.


I always answer his questions and give him advice when he asks.

I will learn how to do things for myself.


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19 Jul 2015, 11:34 am

you are using the crab mentality and want him to be in your same misery. I understand this is the only kind of friendships you can have. I used to be friends with other subhumans as a teen, one in particular was my favourite because he hated when our other friends hanged around neurotypicals, and we said exactly that they were trying to "emulate" and they weren't being themselves. If I could go back in time, I'd kick myself in the mouth for saying such hateful garbage to people I now care about (in my teens, I was much much much more aspie than now and I don't think I could feel love or respect for anyone because it was a "gay" feeling in my head).

You are butthurt. You should support your friend that obviously doesn't have autism. Let him free and don't dare to sabotage him just because of your egoistical reasons. You will never be able to emulate NTs of course, you need to accept a life of permanent loneliness, that's what autism is about. Get diagnosed if you didn't, I think it helps enormously to "stay at your place".



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19 Jul 2015, 11:41 am

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you are using the crab mentality and want him to be in your same misery. I understand this is the only kind of friendships you can have. I used to be friends with other subhumans as a teen, one in particular was my favourite because he hated when our other friends hanged around neurotypicals, and we said exactly that they were trying to "emulate" and they weren't being themselves. If I could go back in time, I'd kick myself in the mouth for saying such hateful garbage to people I now care about (in my teens, I was much much much more aspie than now and I don't think I could feel love or respect for anyone because it was a "gay" feeling in my head).

You are butthurt. You should support your friend that obviously doesn't have autism. Let him free and don't dare to sabotage him just because of your egoistical reasons. You will never be able to emulate NTs of course, you need to accept a life of permanent loneliness, that's what autism is about. Get diagnosed if you didn't, I think it helps enormously to "stay at your place".

What the f**k? What on earth did she do to you to get this kind of response?

By the way, they sorted it out: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=289864



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19 Jul 2015, 11:51 am

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ultimateaspie wrote:
you are using the crab mentality and want him to be in your same misery. I understand this is the only kind of friendships you can have. I used to be friends with other subhumans as a teen, one in particular was my favourite because he hated when our other friends hanged around neurotypicals, and we said exactly that they were trying to "emulate" and they weren't being themselves. If I could go back in time, I'd kick myself in the mouth for saying such hateful garbage to people I now care about (in my teens, I was much much much more aspie than now and I don't think I could feel love or respect for anyone because it was a "gay" feeling in my head).

You are butthurt. You should support your friend that obviously doesn't have autism. Let him free and don't dare to sabotage him just because of your egoistical reasons. You will never be able to emulate NTs of course, you need to accept a life of permanent loneliness, that's what autism is about. Get diagnosed if you didn't, I think it helps enormously to "stay at your place".

What the f**k? What on earth did she do to you to get this kind of response?

By the way, they sorted it out: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=289864


I have autism, remember



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19 Jul 2015, 11:59 am

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ultimateaspie wrote:
you are using the crab mentality and want him to be in your same misery. I understand this is the only kind of friendships you can have. I used to be friends with other subhumans as a teen, one in particular was my favourite because he hated when our other friends hanged around neurotypicals, and we said exactly that they were trying to "emulate" and they weren't being themselves. If I could go back in time, I'd kick myself in the mouth for saying such hateful garbage to people I now care about (in my teens, I was much much much more aspie than now and I don't think I could feel love or respect for anyone because it was a "gay" feeling in my head).

You are butthurt. You should support your friend that obviously doesn't have autism. Let him free and don't dare to sabotage him just because of your egoistical reasons. You will never be able to emulate NTs of course, you need to accept a life of permanent loneliness, that's what autism is about. Get diagnosed if you didn't, I think it helps enormously to "stay at your place".

What the f**k? What on earth did she do to you to get this kind of response?

By the way, they sorted it out: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=289864


I have autism, remember

"Diagnosis: Have Aspergers - Undiagnosed"

Alright. But would you not say what you just said was "hateful garbage", exactly what you wanted to "kick [yourself] in the mouth" for previously? It wasn't very constructive and I don't think there's anything Steel can really take from this.



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19 Jul 2015, 1:09 pm

It seems the agreement you guys made no longer suits him. He will probably go in a different direction entirely. As for you, perhaps you can find someone else? Have you ever looked into befriending and being befriended? They are like volunteer aides/some to hang out with.


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