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16 Aug 2015, 3:26 pm

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-me ... ure-autism

what do you guys think?

i personally feel people should stop trying to cure Autism and just spend more focus on Treatment and improving the lives of autistic children, teens, adults and seniors and parents of autistic Children.


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16 Aug 2015, 7:01 pm

ZombieBrideXD wrote:
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/can-genetics-find-cure-autism

what do you guys think?

i personally feel people should stop trying to cure Autism and just spend more focus on Treatment and improving the lives of autistic children, teens, adults and seniors and parents of autistic Children.


My first impression of the article was that it was rather bland and lacked inherent vitality...
Odd but true...

I was also surprised at how it treated autism as a disease or mental illness...
Apparently we are "patients"...

As a whole, we are different, not wrong...
It is largely the toxic environment we have no choice but to inhabit which is a very complicating factor in our lives...
Overall, there seemed to be little evidence of enlightenment by the writer regarding autism...

My attitude later changed to amusement when I considered the attack on genetic mutations...
After all, if it were not for genetic change, we would all still have fur all over our bodies and live in caves...
(Yes I know, some still do...;))

Assuming speculation is correct, the "cure" would have denied us historic figures such as Issac Newton and Albert Einstein...
Worse than that, there would never have been a Sheldon Lee Cooper!...OMG!

My advice to the writer is to find another job...
Or have some time out until he has a better understanding of the subjects he is writing about...

I agree with one thing he said...
Genetic mutations can cause unfortunate results...
And we must find a cure against people like him... :P

In summary:
IMO, the article was poorly defined, poorly researched, poorly executed, grossly biased, misleading, insulting but ultimately quite amusing...



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16 Aug 2015, 7:10 pm

ZombieBrideXD wrote:
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/can-genetics-find-cure-autism

what do you guys think?

i personally feel people should stop trying to cure Autism and just spend more focus on Treatment and improving the lives of autistic children, teens, adults and seniors and parents of autistic Children.


The fact you acknowledge that people who have autism need to have their lives improved, along with treatment to effectively deal with it, means that you acknowledge that it is a serious problem. Why are you, therefore, against a cure? A cure would nullify the necessity for treatments of any kind, and we would all be better off.



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16 Aug 2015, 7:24 pm

Autism is not actually genetic. Yes, I said it clearly, because there I said it just now, yes I did.


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16 Aug 2015, 8:09 pm

Lintar wrote:
ZombieBrideXD wrote:
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/can-genetics-find-cure-autism

what do you guys think?

i personally feel people should stop trying to cure Autism and just spend more focus on Treatment and improving the lives of autistic children, teens, adults and seniors and parents of autistic Children.


The fact you acknowledge that people who have autism need to have their lives improved, along with treatment to effectively deal with it, means that you acknowledge that it is a serious problem. Why are you, therefore, against a cure? A cure would nullify the necessity for treatments of any kind, and we would all be better off.


Firstly, there is no inherent need for a "cure", imo...
We are not sick...we are different...
Our neurology is simply not typically neurotypical...
Do you believe everyone on the spectrum needs to be "cured"?
I don't, nor do I want to be... :mrgreen:

A large part of the discomfort in being on the spectrum is the often toxic environment created by the needs of the neurotypical majority...
I agree that more needs to be done to overcome ignorance and prejudice...

BTW, what are the treatments you are referring to?
Do you mean education/training?



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16 Aug 2015, 8:15 pm

Lintar wrote:
ZombieBrideXD wrote:
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/can-genetics-find-cure-autism

what do you guys think?

i personally feel people should stop trying to cure Autism and just spend more focus on Treatment and improving the lives of autistic children, teens, adults and seniors and parents of autistic Children.


The fact you acknowledge that people who have autism need to have their lives improved, along with treatment to effectively deal with it, means that you acknowledge that it is a serious problem. Why are you, therefore, against a cure? A cure would nullify the necessity for treatments of any kind, and we would all be better off.



because a cure infers that every single aspect of Autism needs to go away which simply is not the case. i believe that autism has very good qualities to it as well. That and the human race needs variation, that being said Autism can be disabling and most of the time is extremely disabling. if life could be easier and people had the support they need to strive, they can be successful without taking away some of the very important qualities that autistic people have. I quote Temple Grandin "The world needs all kinds of minds..."


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16 Aug 2015, 8:16 pm

Neuro-Typical Syndrome Dis-Order Over-Powered... Such Dis-Ease Definitely Deserves to be nerfed !


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16 Aug 2015, 8:20 pm

[/quote]BTW, what are the treatments you are referring to?Do you mean education/training?[/quote]

Education, Training and technology. Autistic people have made strives with the technology to improve communication. It has also been proven that anti-depressants can help with anxiety in autistic people making life more livable.


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16 Aug 2015, 8:21 pm

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Autism is not actually genetic. Yes, I said it clearly, because there I said it just now, yes I did.


This is a joke, right?
Not only has autism be identified as running in families (as do big feet and big noses ;)) , it can also be created by spontaneous genetic mutation...
Mutations are a common occurrence in the life system...
Without them there would be no meaningful change...

"Mutation is a natural process that changes a DNA sequence. And it is more common than you may think. As a cell copies its DNA before dividing, a "typo" occurs every 100,000 or so nucleotides. That's about 120,000 typos each time one of our cells divides."

" Thanks to mutation, we all have some new variations that were not present in our parents."

"Mutation also generates new variations that can give an individual a survival advantage. And most often, mutation gives rise to variations that are neither good nor bad, just different."

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/ ... /mutation/



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16 Aug 2015, 8:31 pm

Why would it be a joke...? College-Educated Doctor himself says that autism is a Myth in its Public-Understanding.

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Ban-Dodger wrote:
Autism is not actually genetic. Yes, I said it clearly, because there I said it just now, yes I did.


This is a joke, right?

Here is the description from the video-channel...
TheWorldmonitortv wrote:
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The MYTH of AUTISM- How a misunderstood Epidemic is destroying our Children.

Dr. Michael Goldberg Knows What Causes Autism...
and It Isn't Vaccines!

THE MYTH OF AUTISM
How a Misunderstood Epidemic is Destroying Our Children
By Dr. Michael J. Goldberg with Elyse Goldberg.

Everyone seems to agree that the United States is currently undergoing an epidemic of what is diagnosed as
autism. But, in the history of society, there has never been "an epidemic" of any developmental or genetic
disorder. So what is this "autism," which has come to affect the lives of so many?
In The Myth of Autism. Dr. Michael Goldberg, the president of the Neuro-Immune Deficiency Medical
Advisory Board, and his colleagues, illustrate why autism must be a symptom of a treatable, neurological
disease that attacks the brain's immune system. Since it is not something truly developmental, it is not
"locked in steel" from birth and, as a disease, it can and should be treated therapeutically. Through
Goldberg's personal anecdotes, case studies, and original research, readers will come to understand that
autism is:
• Not psychological or developmental -- it is a medical disease
• Caused by a dysfunction in the neuro-immune system
• Similar to ADD/ADHD and chronic fatigue in that they all have different "labels" but
are variations on the same thing: neuro-immune dysfunction
Dr. Goldberg sympathizes with parents who believe that vaccines play some part in an autism diagnoses,
but asserts this only seems to be the case because vaccinations are given at the same period of time in a
child's life as the developing body undergoes immune changes. In The Myth of Autism, Goldberg explains
that if a disease itself, such as measles, could not cause autism, than it is impossible that the vaccine, itself
modified, could cause the disorder.
Goldberg explains that while a lot of inappropriate focus and attention has been misdirected towards
vaccines, the truth is that the only way that physicians have a real chance of curing and preventing autism is
if we begin to focus on the real problem, which is best understood as a complex immune, complex viral
disease process. Focusing on that disorder can rapidly bring about better efforts at therapy, and, considering
that there has not been ONE recurrence in a high risk family within Dr. Goldberg's practice when following
very strict preventative pediatrics, efforts that could become preventative.
In order to save children from the disease and social stigma of autism, Dr. Goldberg unpacks the myth
behind the illness and provides a wealth of diagnostic and treatment information that will transform the life
of any person, friend, or family member somehow affected by this terrible disease.

About the Author:
DR. MICHAEL J. GOLDBERG received his medical degree from UCLA and trained at LAC--USC
Medical Center. He is the president of the Neuro--Immune Deficiency (NIDS) Medical Advisory Board and
is on the clinical teaching staff at both UCLA and Cedars--Sinai Hospitals. With seventeen years experience
in evaluating and treating autism, ADD/ADHD, and chronic fatigue syndrome, Goldberg is dedicated to
increasing public awareness of the connection between neuro--immune and/or auto--immune dysfunction
and other conditions, such as autism, ADD, Alzheimer's, ALS, CFS/CFIDS, and MS.

For more info visit;
http://www.nids.net
Категория : Общество
Лицензия : Стандартная лицензия YouTube


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16 Aug 2015, 8:39 pm

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Neuro-Typical Syndrome Dis-Order Over-Powered... Such Dis-Ease Definitely Deserves to be nerfed !


There is hope, however:
"Although no cure for neurotypicals exists yet, a genetic test to identify likely neurotypicalness in fetuses is expected to be developed soon."
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Neur ... l_syndrome

Nice find... :mrgreen:



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16 Aug 2015, 8:46 pm

Are we all a product of some deficiency that needs curing or are we or some of us an evolutionary departure.I personally dont think its a case of one size fits all..



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16 Aug 2015, 9:19 pm

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Why would it be a joke...? College-Educated Doctor himself says that autism is a Myth in its Public-Understanding.


I am having trouble finding any peer reviews on his work.
Do you have any links?



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16 Aug 2015, 9:20 pm

ZombieBrideXD wrote:
i believe that autism has very good qualities to it as well.


Perhaps it does, but what are they? People like to go on ad nauseam about how A. Einstein apparently had autism, but not only is there no evidence for this claim, but even if we accepted this as being true there would still be no reliable way of establishing a solid connection between it and his unusual abilities and talents. Being on the so-called high end of the spectrum does not guarantee that one will be a genius, or even have a higher than average intelligence.

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That and the human race needs variation


Yes it does, but some variations cause more trouble than they are worth for those who have them.

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, that being said Autism can be disabling and most of the time is extremely disabling. if life could be easier and people had the support they need to strive, they can be successful without taking away some of the very important qualities that autistic people have. I quote Temple Grandin "The world needs all kinds of minds..."


'...if life could be easier...' Yes, well, I suppose we can all dream of a world where people who are different neurologically are actually treated as being human and with respect, rather than just a weird and unwanted annoyance, but I don't see that happening any time soon. People are afraid of those who are different, it's one of the things that seem to be inbuilt into most people, whether they will admit to it or not.



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16 Aug 2015, 9:29 pm

Lintar wrote:
ZombieBrideXD wrote:
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/can-genetics-find-cure-autism

what do you guys think?

i personally feel people should stop trying to cure Autism and just spend more focus on Treatment and improving the lives of autistic children, teens, adults and seniors and parents of autistic Children.


The fact you acknowledge that people who have autism need to have their lives improved, along with treatment to effectively deal with it, means that you acknowledge that it is a serious problem. Why are you, therefore, against a cure? A cure would nullify the necessity for treatments of any kind, and we would all be better off.


If we are using the same definitions a cure would get rid of all aspects of the persons autism while a treatment would modify the autism or "fix" certain aspects of it. A cure would be wrong for a lot of us because as mentioned because all aspects of our autism do not need to be fixed. Also what most consider "wrong" or in need of fixing is just a majority value judgement about some things that I do not want fixed. Majority value judgements can and do change so what is thought of as "broken" today might be thought of as an asset in 20 years.

If a cure is to come soon I believe it is more likely to come from behavioral interventions at a very young age designed to intercept or deflect the autism in its formative stages. For the last number of years they have spent a lot of time and effort to cure via genetics and it has proven to be very complicated. That is why the desperate rush to diagnose early and the consternation when a Federal task force recommended caution on early screening.


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16 Aug 2015, 9:33 pm

Reading the video-comments that respond to his video would be better ?

Pepe wrote:
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Why would it be a joke...? College-Educated Doctor himself says that autism is a Myth in its Public-Understanding.


I am having trouble finding any peer reviews on his work.
Do you have any links?

Also, I should note, I use the term « College-Educated » somewhat more like a form of Satirism.
Some people know this as being Double-Speak. Perhaps I am taking it a little too far.
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I suppose I should apologise for being a member of this community, whom many people do in fact, take very seriously (due to how much « expertise» I do in fact has), without re-inforcing how I view the typical « college-educated » individual in this country. Also, I wouldn't put much stock in peer-review, because imagine if Richard Dawkins were to write a paper & send it to The Vatican for peer-review, exactly what do you think will be the result ? (Not that I put any stock in Richard Dawkins either, even though I do give him credit for being a very Smart-Speaker, but too many times he tries to tackle stuff that's too far above his league, thus making himself look silly & making an embarassment out of himself).


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