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29 Aug 2015, 2:48 am

It seems like I have a lot of "high IQ problems" even though my IQ is only average. I don't feel like I fit in, I'm miserable and I found school boring and too slow. Some people like to tell me I'm smart even though my IQ is average. Maybe they're just trying to make me feel better.


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29 Aug 2015, 3:24 am

dunno maybe you are that you are :) :)


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29 Aug 2015, 3:36 am

Average IQ doesn´t mean, that you couldn´t score high in cognitive test. IQ is only a measure for oprational intelligence, of how much horsepower, your calculator have, how much new data, you can process and how fast. Your cognitive skills is another story.
Read Daniel Goleman.


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29 Aug 2015, 3:39 am

Jensen wrote:
Average IQ doesn´t mean, that you couldn´t score high in cognitive test. IQ is only a measure for oprational intelligence, of how much horsepower, your calculator have, how much new data, you can process and how fast. Your cognitive skills is another story.
Read Daniel Goleman.

I just googled him. My emotional intelligence is below average. I probably just seem smart because my verbal intelligence is in the upper average range. Everything else is lower average.


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29 Aug 2015, 3:51 am

Ok, but language skills do mean a lot for the reasoning ability, so, there you are - using, what you´ve got to the best of your ability.
You actually come off as smart, the critical, questioning type.
I don´t believe, that the IQ is that important, unless you are pursueing university studies.
It´s what you do with it, that matters.


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29 Aug 2015, 8:26 am

Who knows, Devil Kisses--maybe you are smarter than you think you are.

Now go apply to that Optician School!



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29 Aug 2015, 9:01 am

DevilKisses wrote:
It seems like I have a lot of "high IQ problems" even though my IQ is only average. I don't feel like I fit in, I'm miserable and I found school boring and too slow. Some people like to tell me I'm smart even though my IQ is average. Maybe they're just trying to make me feel better.


Hi DevilKisses,
don't forget we're Autism Spectrum Disorder!
Your apparent high intelligence may just be the result of rote learning and obsessing over certain information libraries.
I know I've done it!


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29 Aug 2015, 10:20 am

DevilKisses wrote:
It seems like I have a lot of "high IQ problems" even though my IQ is only average. I don't feel like I fit in, I'm miserable and I found school boring and too slow. Some people like to tell me I'm smart even though my IQ is average. Maybe they're just trying to make me feel better.


You might have skill scatter. Did you get to see your subtest scores?

For example, someone could have a full-scale IQ of 110, a verbal IQ of 130 and a performance IQ of 90. School tends to require verbal IQ more than performance IQ, so in most subjects that person would react like someone with an IQ of 130, even though their full-scale IQ is only 110. For example, they'd write essays like someone with 130 IQ, meaning they could slap together something the night before and still probably get an A.



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29 Aug 2015, 10:27 am

I never understand all this business about IQ.

They should do away with the whole IQ thing, all it seems to do is cause problems.


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29 Aug 2015, 11:39 am

babybird wrote:
They should do away with the whole IQ thing, all it seems to do is cause problems.


It's got its uses. It's a test of general cognitive ability that is reasonably accurate in most cases, and extreme scorers on IQ tests tend to have special needs that can be reasonably predicted by what score they got. Only problem is people overstate how much it predicts, and then others say that because it's been overstated, it's useless.



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29 Aug 2015, 11:49 am

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It's a test of general cognitive ability that is reasonably accurate in most cases, and extreme scorers on IQ tests tend to have special needs that can be reasonably predicted by what score they got.


So why are seemingly "normal" people tested for it then?

I've never had any dealings with IQ test personally and I don't think it has ever been a big deal in the UK but I have heard that in other countries they are used a lot.

Does this not cause problems where there needn't be any?

Soz for derailing slightly OP.


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29 Aug 2015, 12:15 pm

IQ tests are common because they're a way of quantifying "intelligence" for research.

They're also common among people who like to boast about how smart they are.

In practice, only some areas seem to correlate with other "types" of "smarts" and there is a strong cultural influence.

However, the original aim of the IQ test was to identify outliers at the bottom end of the scale to screen for special needs - not as an overall measure of intelligence. (They have however changed somewhat since their initial form.)



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29 Aug 2015, 12:35 pm

Been there, done that, except backwards. Happened in school.
It was more of a defense mechanism. Nobody wants to be my friend --> It must be because I'm special in some way. Maybe even superior.
Of course now, and at the time deep down I knew that's not what's up.
I just didn't want to accept the truth, that I was rejected because I was weird, immature, socially ignorant and subpar-looking.
So I adopted mannerisms to define myself in ways that would let everybody around me know how superior I was to them.
Obviously, it was all talk. But some people actually believed the act.

Unfortunately all this charade didn't help with making my situation any better.
Clever or not, if you're rejected then you're rejected. :roll:



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30 Aug 2015, 9:27 am

ConceptuallyCurious wrote:
However, the original aim of the IQ test was to identify outliers at the bottom end of the scale to screen for special needs - not as an overall measure of intelligence. (They have however changed somewhat since their initial form.)


Exactly.

Binet was asked by the French government to figure out an easy way to decide if a child needed to be in a special class. (Back then, the only reason to be in a special class was what we'd now call cognitive disability or mental retardation.) It was easy to tell with extreme cases, but for more subtle disability, the decision was far too subjective. So he figured out how normal kids performed on a set of cognitive tests, and developed a standardized test of general intelligence, with the idea that kids who performed two standard deviations below the mean needed to be in a special class.



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30 Aug 2015, 11:57 pm

Ettina wrote:
ConceptuallyCurious wrote:
However, the original aim of the IQ test was to identify outliers at the bottom end of the scale to screen for special needs - not as an overall measure of intelligence. (They have however changed somewhat since their initial form.)


Exactly. Binet was asked by the French government to figure out an easy way to decide if a child needed to be in a special class. (Back then, the only reason to be in a special class was what we'd now call cognitive disability or mental retardation.) It was easy to tell with extreme cases, but for more subtle disability, the decision was far too subjective. So he figured out how normal kids performed on a set of cognitive tests, and developed a standardized test of general intelligence, with the idea that kids who performed two standard deviations below the mean needed to be in a special class.

do they still do it that way today?



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31 Aug 2015, 2:49 am

I was skeptical about this too - seems to me all the sample IQ tests I've done (never had it done professionally, just out of curiosity online) seem not to test intelligence, but education, cultural awareness and dry recall. That discounts a huge percent of people, example people of low socio-economic status who never had access to or the right circumstances to take advantage of education. It's been said that all IQ tests prove is you're good at taking IQ tests, and yet others treat this as if the results are implacable. Was there ever a test that encompassed all forms of intelligence reliably?


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