What has been your biggest revelation about NTs?

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07 Sep 2015, 12:50 pm

What has been your biggest revelation about NTs? What has been the most surprising and revealing discovery you have had about NTs in your autistic journey?

For me, it has been discovering that despite their tall claims about being all empathic, the majority of NTs that I have come across display a stunning lack of emotional empathy for a fellow human being, so much so that from an autistic perspective, it could be considered sociopathic/psychopathic.



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07 Sep 2015, 3:19 pm

The way I see it, and it's very clear to me, that the empathy that is most commonly known among NTs in general is being able to ''read'' non-verbal (and verbal) social cues, like body language. The rest of the empathy stuff is varied from person to person and from situation to situation. I suppose it's the same with us Aspies, but the way it is drummed into everybody that Aspies lack empathy so much, we kind of have forced ourselves to become more empathetic than the average person, due to feeling like there is so much stigma against ''lack of empathy'', making us feel like we're serial killers or something.

I wish ''lack of empathy'' wouldn't be in the Autistic diagnostic criteria, and instead be worded differently to get everyone to see it in a more realistic and positive way.


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07 Sep 2015, 3:46 pm

rugulach wrote:
What has been your biggest revelation about NTs? What has been the most surprising and revealing discovery you have had about NTs in your autistic journey?

For me, it has been discovering that despite their tall claims about being all empathic, the majority of NTs that I have come across display a stunning lack of emotional empathy for a fellow human being, so much so that from an autistic perspective, it could be considered sociopathic/psychopathic.


Interesting, as a kid i used to feel bad because i wouldn´t react emotionally to other people problems. It didn´t mean I didn´t care, but I wouldn´t feel it. I tried to compensate doing something for that person, but I used to felt guilty for my lack of sensitivity.

P.S.: Im NT



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07 Sep 2015, 3:58 pm

I agree that there is a serious disfunction in how empathy is defined, not only with regard to Aspiens but also NTs. In my experience there are a great many neurotypicals who not only lack empathy but also have no idea what it is, how it is supposed to work. For others it is little more than an insincere social construct, used to advance their careers or social lives. Aspies tend to have rather too much empathy, to the extent that it is painful.



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07 Sep 2015, 4:05 pm

For me it's the shocking lack of substance or depth behind the things people say and do.



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07 Sep 2015, 4:11 pm

I've learned that people are individuals and it is misguided to generalize about them.


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07 Sep 2015, 4:31 pm

dianthus wrote:
For me it's the shocking lack of substance or depth behind the things people say and do.


About two weeks ago I read in a thread here on WP that non-autistic people do not mean what they say.
I think it was in the thread about "being misunderstood", but I can be mistaken.
At that moment I was invited to a non-autistic person for a couple days and I asked him if this would be true.
His answer was "yes".
Now I am even more insecure about what people actually mean when they say something, I try to understand, but trying to try to understand my brain just gets "white" inside, like a pot of white paint, literally I see it like this.
And i feel even more like staying in my own mind, because I do not know how to process it, reallynot.
It feels like a "betrayal" in a way, though I always felt the unpredictability of people, like me not being able to make sense of them, and it got noticed in my diagnostic papers, this extreme "not-knowingness" I have, that much that I am unable to do a job among "normal" people as high risk of being abused by them, but I just cannot understand about saying things you do not mean, what is a person saying then?
How does it feel or what is the thought-process of it?


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07 Sep 2015, 7:14 pm

Their concept of politeness being valued as a sign of respect, sign of goodwill, and sign of empathy. And how much they prioritize it is something so superficial, I get to face-palmed at because I'm very aware they can be easily faked.


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07 Sep 2015, 7:30 pm

The idea that most people actually can do those things that I always thought were ridiculous to expect me to do - like know what time it is without a clock, or consistently remember at time B the plans I set at time A. When they acted disappointed in me, they weren't just being willfully unreasonable. They actually thought I wasn't motivated to do the things.



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07 Sep 2015, 7:30 pm

Hyperborean wrote:
I agree that there is a serious disfunction in how empathy is defined, not only with regard to Aspiens but also NTs. In my experience there are a great many neurotypicals who not only lack empathy but also have no idea what it is, how it is supposed to work. For others it is little more than an insincere social construct, used to advance their careers or social lives. Aspies tend to have rather too much empathy, to the extent that it is painful.


Yep NTs "fake-it" a lot of the time regarding empathy/sympathy, and it boggles my mind how they don't feel like creeps for doing so.



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07 Sep 2015, 7:35 pm

dianthus wrote:
For me it's the shocking lack of substance or depth behind the things people say and do.

This



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07 Sep 2015, 7:40 pm

Ben_Is_My_Only_God wrote:
I've learned that people are individuals and it is misguided to generalize about them.


I like this.


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07 Sep 2015, 8:12 pm

I have learnt NT or not, everyone is different and like any bunch or group of people, there are good and bad, those with bad intentions and those with good, those who struggle to fit in.

I think it is generalized around here that all NT's have easy lives and never face any difficulties in life, There also seems to be a vibe that they are somehow superior.

My biggest revelation is that NT's don't have it any better than "us", but seem better equipped to pretend everything is ok and they are "happy".

I mean in the NT population, there are those with disabilities, different color skin, red hair, weight issues etc.

There is always something others can find to put you down (and single you out) to make them selves feel better, NT or not.

We are all different and individuals, deal with it.



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07 Sep 2015, 8:54 pm

I know a good few empathic NTs for sure.

My biggest epiphany is that I'll probably have them figured out sometime soon.


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07 Sep 2015, 9:16 pm

They are an interesting but very noisy primate species.
Neighbors having parties this weekend. I hear a lot of loud talking and cackling laughter.
A lot of use of the F word interjected into sentences. Sometimes every other word is the F word.
I don't know what it means, it doesn't seem to mean anything. Apart from the original meaning of the word, it has no meaning in the context of the language they are using.
I think it is a show of dominance, much like a gorilla pounding it's chest.
When the sun goes down and the primates go inside, the raccoons and skunks come out.
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07 Sep 2015, 9:27 pm

cberg wrote:
My biggest epiphany is that I'll probably have them figured out sometime soon.



Figure them out, huh?

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