As an aspie. Is this how you see other NT's in the world?

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LupaLuna
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23 May 2013, 11:08 pm

As an aspie. Is this how you see/perceive other NT's in the world? especially politicians?





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24 May 2013, 12:04 am

That is how I perceive neurotypicals.



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24 May 2013, 12:10 am

I don't see anyone this way.



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24 May 2013, 12:25 am

but that is the way neurotypicals are even if I don't see it. To clarify this is the way I would perceive neurotypicals if I had x-ray eyes.



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24 May 2013, 1:55 am

Yep, I have known many like that. If only I picked up on it earlier.



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24 May 2013, 2:00 am

I don't judge people based on their neurological state or profession.

The main way I judge people is:
1, How they treat me
2, How they treat other people and animals

I am interested in meeting different kinds of people



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24 May 2013, 2:39 am

androbot2084 wrote:
but that is the way neurotypicals are even if I don't see it. To clarify this is the way I would perceive neurotypicals if I had x-ray eyes.


I suspect something like this.

I think the joke here is that this is the subtext that nobody ever says but they all know they mean. Unfortunately, I don't get most of this and that's a primary problem for me at work. I might summarize what I get from this kind of interaction as:

Hey great to have you as our director!

It will take hours to relight.

The client would like a slightly different shot. Etc.

And then at certain moments I might think I wonder if that was totally sincere?

Aspergers FTW! (Sarcasm)



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24 May 2013, 3:11 am

LupaLuna wrote:
As an aspie. Is this how you see/perceive other NT's in the world? especially politicians?


I don't understand what you mean. Firstly you say "other NTs" but as an Aspie you are not NT so you wouldn't say "other NTs" you would just say "NTs".

We find it hard reading between the lines and understanding peoples' motives, so as these actors were being outright offensive and leaving no-one under any illusions as to what they meant, it's the opposite of what we have trouble with.

If anything, as nasty as they were being, they were being honest in their nastiness which is something at least us Aspies could understand where we stand with.

If you mean do Aspies think that this is what NTs really mean and it's hidden beneath fake words, all I can say is that many times in life I found out too late what they meant, but just as many if not more times I never did understand I just was baffled and upset by their nastiness that was apparently without reason or cause.

If you don't mean that, then I have no idea what you mean.

They were insulting one another in calm ways as if it was normal. This just occurred to me (talk about delayed reaction). Is that what you mean?


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24 May 2013, 3:28 am

That's what I took it to mean - hence the title truth in advertising. I think the actors were portraying what people actually think when they are talking to each other - eg go f**k yourself instead of have a nice day.



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24 May 2013, 8:36 am

and we are the ones who are considered mentally ill just because we can't navigate through that garbage.



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24 May 2013, 9:43 am

i dont really understand, so NTs are like the people in the video in that underlying what ever they say they insult everyone. some people are just nice people, not everything people say has an underlying self interest and destain for others.

its a bit upsetting to think that NTs are percieved this way.



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24 May 2013, 10:05 am

I'm glad it's not just me OP has confused. The question needed more explanation, I mean how can NTs be like that if that is not what they really do? I see NTs as confusing and generally most of them not so nice because of my experiences, but those videos were not confusing as they were speaking plainly, the only confusing thing is that they insulted each other in a normal voice. There was also no reaction from them to the insults. Although this was more weird and amusing than confusing really.


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24 May 2013, 11:14 am

The OP question doesn't make sense because it seems to be addressing the wrong audience (other NTs) and it seems not to take into account that the video is humor. No one talks like this. At a third level, it doesn't make sense because to the extent that the premis of the joke is explicit interpretation of social subtext, this is something people on the spectrum are bad at.



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24 May 2013, 12:07 pm

As I get older and wiser I'm realizing it's more like those videos than I'd like to believe. Most of my life I've been pretty naive. If it isn't actually spoken it usually goes right over my head. That's not to say that I think all NTs are bad. I think it's just the way they learned to survive. It's like having street smarts and knowing the guy who just "accidentally" bumped into you and apologized actually just stole your wallet. I don't have the ability to see beyond what is presented on the surface. Only through actual experiences do I know there's more going on than what the person is presenting. I'm still not intuitive, but definitely more wary.



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24 May 2013, 12:39 pm

i am unsure as to how much people pick up on subtext, can anyone actually pick up on the subtext seen in the video, if they do then i am definatly not good at picking up subtext. its definatly a more scarier world if no one speaks their mind



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24 May 2013, 1:18 pm

Those videos were hilarious. I don't think they were about subtext (in subtext the unspoken really is supposed to be understood by the other person) and rather were about how people take great care to not communicate what they are thinking in an enviroment where there are high penalties for letting everybody know your every thought.

Saying what you are really thinking is great between partners, family, friends. But at work? NO. Saying exactly what you are thinking at work is perilous and can only be done in certain and rare situations. It is no coincidence that these vignettes are set at work. At work you must cooperate with people you may really dislike in order to get things done. But if you openly speak that dislike, nothing gets done (and that's the very least of the repercussions).

I can't call any of this subtext because subtext is still meant as communication. In these vignettes, you get thoughts spoken aloud standing in for what people actually say. Subtext can be figured out from the phrasing of what people say and how they say it and what their body language communicates and if that body language matches what they said. But here you don't know what the characters said so you don't know if there's a mismatch with body language (actually you do know, see footnote below) nor can you tell how they (would have) phrased things to communicate subtext. What you are actually getting here is literal mind reading, how a work enviroment would seem to somebody who was telepathic.

*Body language can be consciously controlled to prevent a mismatch between words and body language from revealing a person's inner thoughts. That is certainly happening in the videos (actors must master this or they look wooden). Part of the humour of the videos is that there is such a giant mismatch between body language and what they say. It is how you know you are hearing thoughts and not words. If there was nio mismatch and the body language mirrored the words, it wouldn't be funny.