Dehumanising Autistic Children: "like robots or chimpanzees"

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11 Nov 2015, 1:38 am

If you don't want to read the whole article, scroll down to the 7th paragraph for the robot/chimpanzee statement. This dehumanising comparison was articulated by a 'notable professional' in book reviewed by the New York Times less that 10 years ago.

Dehumanisation takes many forms. I am curious to hear of examples members have noticed in the literature, witnessed in life, or experienced personally. I am also interested in hearing of any countermeasures anyone has taken to censure, limit, challenge or stop dehumanising behaviour witnessed toward autistic people in their daily lives and environments, and what effect your actions had. How do we educate people - including professionals - to stop dehumanising target populations and start recognising their behaviour as psychological abuse?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4266404/



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11 Nov 2015, 4:22 am

I don't really give a damn.
If someone doesn't understand another person or they aren't like them then they can dehumanise. It works both ways cos NTs are not like me and I don't get why they feel they must be so social. They could be dehumanised too cos there's so many of them they are like a plague


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11 Nov 2015, 8:15 am

Oddly enough, due to the way I see and experience things, I think I de-humanize others. To me, they are the machines.

So, maybe I objectify them as much as they objectify me.

The difference is this: They attempt to make everybody like them.

I cannot be like others, so I tend to not try to make them like me. All it does is remove one element of social dealings for me though. And it's very frustrating when people won't be accepting of my limitations when I overlook what I perceive as their limitations.

Of course, now, I am finding the reasons for my limitations. But, have no idea about theirs.


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11 Nov 2015, 10:57 am

Of course Autism Speaks "I am Autism" commercial immediately jumps to mind.

My other examples are more indirect
Sheldon of "The Big Bang Theory", he is a there to be laughed at.

The many many characters with Autistics traits that are not described as autistic because of the belief that the ratings will go down if the A-word is used. A lot of people who decided not to mention Autism have felt no need to be ashamed, but have been quite open about this


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11 Nov 2015, 11:04 am

Though Sheldon Cooper is a caricature, he does and still does speak to me. A few months ago, my joke was that "I'm Sheldon Cooper without the brains."

It was actually one of his rants in an episode that made me really take this serious. It was the episode 43. At the end he tells Raj and Howard that they forget that he has difficulty dealing with things they take for granted every day. And, that time he was 'missing, or, on his own' was his time and his time alone.

I pick up things from other people that express how I feel. The feelings are there, but the ability to verbalize or make sense has been lacking.

I'm just as much a cipher to others as everybody else is to me.

Otherwise: Do not disparage the Sheldon (Joke there). The Sheldon allows me to laugh at myself.


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11 Nov 2015, 12:31 pm

I'm probably one of the least robotic people on the planet, so stuff like dehumanizing annoys me a lot. Sometimes it seems like people don't want to understand about Autism or Asperger's.


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11 Nov 2015, 12:42 pm

Chimpanzees are more social than autistic people.


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11 Nov 2015, 12:48 pm

Kuraudo777 wrote:
I'm probably one of the least robotic people on the planet, so stuff like dehumanizing annoys me a lot. Sometimes it seems like people don't want to understand about Autism or Asperger's.



That's an interesting thing because I think we all feel unlike robots. I believe we all feel animated and alive. It is the observer who would put in this restriction. For instance, I look at other people as if they a machines. Something to decipher and not much else. The people I am close to or have an attachment to usually feel I am too much....Too protective, too worried, too intense, too planned, too....well, much of everything.


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11 Nov 2015, 12:49 pm

My emotions are raw and child-like, so when I feel, I FEEL.
Not necessarily, Cockroach. I know several autistic people who are quite social.


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11 Nov 2015, 12:52 pm

Yes, but we aren't social in the correct way.


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11 Nov 2015, 12:56 pm

Since when is there a correct way to do anything? If you want to limit and close yourself off like that, then that's your choice.


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11 Nov 2015, 1:00 pm

That's not the way it works when it comes to socializing. NTs socialize the normal way, and that's the only effective way of socialization between humans. Aspies can't properly socialize, because we have a different, abnormal way of doing it.


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11 Nov 2015, 1:00 pm

There are societal norms. I don't see it as a limitation. I just see it as one more thing to solve. I'm about to go nuts waiting on people to contact me.

We don't mesh like other people. And, that is where societal norms need to adjust. But, norms will always exist. I don't have a problem with norms as such. Just want to know how to actually manage things to where I'm not viewed as the "Problem Child", "The difficult one", the "One who let everybody down"....etc, etc.


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11 Nov 2015, 1:02 pm

The only social norms I care about are decency, honesty, compassion, kindness, politeness, and integrity.


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11 Nov 2015, 1:04 pm

It's not that simple, you have to actually fit in.
Let's admit it: we ourselves alienate and harm NTs with our immature, childish and strange behavior. No wonder they hurt us back, we have it coming.


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11 Nov 2015, 1:07 pm

I'm not going to fit in! I would rather live in a forest somewhere than ever fit in! I've never intentionally hurt anyone, ever! I haven't alienated myself at all. If anything, my childishness and strangeness seems to be magnetic!


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